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    PM Meets Salmond For Independence Talks

    The Prime Minister has said he will "fight with everything I have" to prevent Scottish independence but would consider devolving further powers.

    Talks on the proposed independence referendum are currently underway between David Cameron and Scotland's first minister in Edinburgh.

    It is their first meeting since the Prime Minister stepped up his opposition to a UK break-up at the beginning of the year.

    First Minister Alex Salmond was due to greet Mr Cameron outside St Andrew's House but the Prime Minister had to use a different entrance as an anti-cuts demonstration was being held outside.

    Before the meeting, the Prime Minister argued while both Scotland and England could govern themselves, they work better together. 

    "The fight is now under way for something really precious: the future of our United Kingdom," he said in a speech.

    "I am 100% clear that I will fight with everything I have to keep our United Kingdom together.

    "To me, this is not some issue of policy or strategy or calculation - it matters head, heart and soul. Our shared home is under threat and everyone who cares about it needs to speak out.

    "Of course, there are arguments that can be made about the volatility of dependence on oil, or the problems of debt and a big banking system. But that's not the point.

    "The best case for the United Kingdom is entirely positive. We are better off together. Why? Well, first of all, let's be practical. Inside the United Kingdom, Scotland - just as much as England, Wales and Northern Ireland - is stronger, safer, richer and fairer."

    He praised the country's rich history and heritage but added: "Proud as that past and present are, I am convinced that for both Scotland, and the United Kingdom, our best days lie ahead of us."

    Mr Cameron confirmed he would be willing to look at "improving" the devolution deal if voters reject full independence.

    "Yes, that does mean considering what further powers could be devolved," he added.

    The Prime Minister began his visit with a tour of the Quaker Oats factory in Cupar, Fife, as the company announced new jobs.

    Mr Cameron described himself as a "patriot for the whole United Kingdom".

    He added: "I'm proud to be English but also proud to be British and I think many people in the UK absolutely feel that you can have all of these identities together, and that is the strength of the UK."

    The SNP said it expected substantive talks between First Minister Mr Salmond and Mr Cameron on progress towards an independence referendum.

    Downing Street distanced itself from weekend reports that Mr Cameron would simply be making a "courtesy call" to the first minister and has confirmed that independence will be on the agenda.

    The UK coalition Government has appointed Scottish Secretary Michael Moore as its lead negotiator in talks between Holyrood and Westminster .

    He met Mr Salmond on Monday, but the SNP-controlled Scottish Government has insisted that it wants to deal directly with the Prime Minister on the issue.

    Speaking prior to the meeting, Mr Salmond told Sky News the days when "London said jump and Scotland jumped" were long gone.

    "We're quite capable of running a debate in Scotland, a positive debate about the future of this country - the biggest decision we've made in 300 years - and we can run that in an effective way and with a timescale that suits Scotland," he said.

    There are three key areas of disagreement on how to proceed with the referendum - the timing, who can vote and the number of questions.

    The SNP plans to hold it in the autumn of 2014 and wants 16 and 17 year-olds to have a vote. It has also left the door open to a second question on so-called "Devo-Max" - devolution with greater powers.

    The UK Government wants it held as early as possible, with a minimum voting age of 18 and to have one question only - independence, yes or no.

    On the eve of his meeting with Mr Cameron, Mr Salmond said in a speech in London that an energy economy would create multi-billion pound wealth in an independent Scotland.

    He told an audience at the London School of Economics: "Under independence, we would make the best use of our unparalleled energy resources.

    "We have 25% of Europe's tidal power potential, 25% of its offshore wind potential and 10% of its wave power potential - not bad for a nation with less than 1% of Europe's population."

     
    • Sir Percy Vere  •  3 months ago
      I bet they both counted their fingers after that handshake.
      • ChronoJ01 3 months ago
        Nah, their saying to each other "who's a big boy then".
      • Sir Percy Vere 3 months ago
        Cameron saying ''I'll show you what we used to do in the showers at Eton if you are a good boy''.
      • Frank R 3 months ago
        LOL - indeed Lloegyr, no flys on either of them but Salmond has the 'emotive' position at the moment - not easy to counter with reason as these comments pages alone will testify
    • Mo  •  3 months ago
      It's got nothing to do with the Tories, Labour or the SNP.....The PEOPLE of Scotland will make the final decision when the time to vote comes. Not Cameron/Clegg or Salmond, but the Scottish PEOPLE....
      • No Name 3 months ago
        Please vote to GO. We want rid of the Scots.
      • Martin Horan 3 months ago
        Maybe you want us to go but most of us still see ourselves as British first, Mr No Name. (Too afraid to show it?)
        Nationalists are like Socialists, fascists and Moslems. They are minorities who make the loudest noise. We don't need more individual powers. The people of Britain need propper leaders and Salmond is a self-seeking prat who isn't one of them.
      • A Yahoo! User 3 months ago
        I would check the question asked---very- very-carefully-----angus
    • Roderick  •  3 months ago
      Who has read the McCrone Report?
      • D'Artagnan 3 months ago
        Yip.. as a Scot it makes you want to weep !
      • D'Artagnan 3 months ago
        Considering it lay buried for over 30 years.. we would be as good dig Robert the Bruce back up .... for all the good its going to do us !!
      • Garry 3 months ago
        I see it as something every Scot should read, and ask themselves, why was this "top Secret"? and Who wanted it hidden?
    • Terence  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      Let's face it, if we in England were given the chance to break free from Westminster's ruinous grip, we'd jump at it. Its members would not recognise democracy if it bit them. Most MPs loathe their constituents and cannot or will not do what is right and proper for the country. It's time the whole rotten edifice was torn down and replaced with something much better.
      • Here we go again 3 months ago
        A firing squad springs to mind?
      • bob g 3 months ago
        firing squad good idea ..1st the royals 2nd the bishops both anglican and catholic +others mad mullahs etc3rd permenant students who do nothing for society.that takes care of a lot who suck the life blood oet of the working masses maybe that should read unemployed masses ,after sucessive tory and labour governments have given industry and jobs to forgieners in one form or another.
    • Terence  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      @Bruce. Why no English parliament? Most likely because Westminster would fear being outshone and fear the loss of livelihood for the 1500 politicians (well over half unelected and unaccountable) who creep along the palace's corridors causing ever more ruin.
      • A Yahoo! User 3 months ago
        there are 10 local assembly`s planned for england---londons is already up and running--england is to be broken up--watch what you wish for----cynicus
    • peter  •  3 months ago
      If the Scots choose to leave the UK then it is undemocratic to stop them. Or the Welsh or the Irish. And can the English have the same option please?
    • Angel  •  Maidenhead, England  •  3 months ago
      Can the English have independence to? British PM Cameron?

      It's what England needs to get rid of this British Government, and have a English Government
    • neil p  •  Gravesend, England  •  3 months ago
      just let the go and then lets us have a vote about europe.
    • Big G  •  3 months ago
      Will this argument bring about another " Braveheart. Camerons worried he will have to moor all the nuclear subs in the thames.as the scots wont want them.
    • coffee addict  •  3 months ago
      Ok, if you really want to go, can you do us English a favour and have a quick vote in the general election. without Scotland, Cameron will be in forever.
    • Little Englander  •  3 months ago
      I sincerely wish the Scottish people every success if they do elect to break away.Whilst it is dangerous to generalise about a nation I do feel that you have what it takes to go it alone,that you have a better ethos and drive and let's face it why on earth would anyone wish to remain shackled to this inept corrupt load of UK politicians that care more for themselves than those they represent.Milk the EU for all you can get in capital allowances and infrastructure grants and then leave it when the funds dry up.
    • MANDY  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      yeah me, wot a total #$%$a typical gobshite y[w]ank, all mouth and not a lot in his pants
    • JOHN  •  Hounslow, England  •  3 months ago
      It is time for English Parliament. As a Scot I welcome that. There is no English parliament at present. English MPs rely on the non English MPs to decide their England-focused issues. I am surprised that the English national party aka the Tories have not grasped the rose! No Scots at Westminster = no Scottish Labour MPs ergo no Labour government ever in England. The SNP have an overall majority north of the Tweed. No Labour party in power. Indeed, England could be first to leave the Union!!
    • wreckymeck  •  North Shields, England  •  3 months ago
      can england have a referendum about wether we want to be independant from london
    • Kim Jong un  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      What is the point in posting if Yahoo is acting the fool that is the posters job.
    • Scud  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      Who's with me & vote for an Independent England?
    • SUSAN  •  Fraserburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      Cameron is a hypocrite asking for only a yes/no question, when has he ever answered a simple yes or no to any question he has been asked EVER, he just waffles on a heap of #$%$ and changes the subject.
    • R.M  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      So Cameron cares about the UK does he? you wouldn't think so given the way it's rapidly becoming a third world country within Europe. I rather think the only thing our polititians care about today are their career's and their seats in the House of Lords after so they can continue sponging expenses of the British taxpayer
    • Vinnie  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      "Our shared home is under threat"! What shared home....It's certainly not with him, shattered economy, millions out of work and a bleak future for the majority unlike the cossetted rich who rule over us, let Scotland exercise their democratic right and have a vote then perhaps the rest of us in "Our shared home" can have a vote on what we want!
    • Frank  •  Nelson, England  •  3 months ago
      Hypocritical Goverments......quick to be complicite in the break up of other countries when it suits.
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