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    Is work experience exploitation?

    When you are a child, complex issues are often greeted with the phrase: "Don't worry, you’ll understand when you’re older."

    But even when you become an adult matters remain confusing. Especially if you are young and trying to get a job.

    The Job Centre is an increasingly likely destination for young people coming out of education.

    There are now more than a million young people unemployed in Britain – with more than 20% of 16-24 year olds not in employment or education.

    That means when you leave school or university you’re not just fighting with people in your year for the few jobs available, you’re fighting with people in the year above you, and the year above them and the other 2.67million people looking for jobs in Britain at the moment.

    Which in desperate times leads to desperate measures.

    Student Hugh Chadwick resorted to clutching a cardboard sign at a busy road junction in Birmingham for days on end before finding out this week he had clinched a position with an engineering company.

    For the 20-year-old it was important to work. And for society to function it is important for the young to be able to go out and get a job.


    Not only does it give us money with which to buy goods and services but it also binds us to an ethic which will provide for us throughout our lives.

    And it is against this backdrop that a variety of initiatives have been put forward by Government ministers.

    So it is right that they should do all they can to avoid the energy and ideas of a generation being drained away by an economy that doesn’t work for them, even when they’re willing to work for it.

    But the Coalition’s Work Experience scheme has been mired in controversy.
    The scheme enables young jobseekers to work for a number of large companies in administrative, retail and technical jobs. As part of this they continue to earn their job-seekers' allowance by putting in 30 hours a week.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, writing in the Mail explained: “The thinking behind the initiative is the recognition that when considering whether to take a young person on, employers will highly value any relevant work experience.”


    But in asking young (often highly educated) people to work for large companies for free, ministers are putting young people in a curious quandary.

    Yes, they want to work but no, they don't want to feel as if they are being taken advantage of.

    These types of work experience schemes used to be solely for competitive and desirable industries. Not jobs to give you the taste of doing a job.

    But you have to start somewhere, right? Too many people believe in the myth of overnight success on display in shows like X Factor.

    But what those same dreamers fail to understand is that even those who succeed there have put in years of hard work and practice before being 'discovered'.

    No one succeeds in the long term without putting in the effort and we must build a base for industry where these temporary positions lead to well paid and meaningful jobs.

    But if there is a responsibility on the young to take these positions, there is an ever greater responsibility on the companies that employ them to ensure they do not take advantage of the dire economic straits we find ourselves in.

     
    • kir  •  2 months ago
      What kind of MP's have we got?They raise the retirement age then wonder why the youth can get no work.They say we can't afford good pensions but waste millions on war.Not one MP has asked questions about this.
      • PAUL 2 months ago
        A short answer..Conservatives.
      • marcus 2 months ago
        Kir, everyone I speak to is saying exactly what you are saying...
      • Top Scran 2 months ago
        lots of people who retired at the former retirement age got bored quickly and returned to work the ones who didn't want to retire were 'managed' out of their jobs because they were deemed too old and this seemed to be unfair - a higher retirement age is a good thing
    • DANIEL  •  London, England  •  2 months ago
      I just left the RAF after 10 years service and I want a job I need the money. I wont do this #$%$ I have experience working I will however work at tescos if they pay me the problem is I applied for a job and they told me I am over qualified but now they want me for free??? they can suck on it
      • DANIEL 2 months ago
        By the way I didnt want to leave but was forced out due to cut backs
      • Christine 2 months ago
        This is the problem with companies preferring incompetent people to good candidates...
      • fraz 2 months ago
        Daniel totally understand, I proudly served the forces for over 6 years left not long ago I loved it I was also forced out due to cut back like most of my squad was too
        this is the thanks the armed forces gets, we put our lives at risk see our friends die, and they clear us out, why dont the MP cut their bloody expenses which our tax money pays their 2nd houses we would say loads

        im also told im over qualified and get a snotty bad attitude job centre staff be rude to me, and yes im asian too, but half of the job centre staff cannot speak english
    • Conrad  •  Brighton, England  •  2 months ago
      What I can't figure out is why the retirement age is being raised when we have such a high number of young unemployed - the money saving argument doens't work - we are paying benefits to the young unemployed instead of pension payments and we are going to end up with a 'lost generation' with no work skills when the people at the older end do eventually retire (or drop dead at work!).
      • VIVIEN 2 months ago
        Couldn't agree more, I know of people in their mid fifities now being told they can't get state pension until they are 67. Nurses, firemen, builders etc who do heavy work can't really be expected to continue, the goalposts keep moving - next year it might be work until you are 70! Young people must be loosing out and older people are left just plain cream crackered or dead before they have chance to enjoy their retirement.
      • James 2 months ago
        retirement age is up because tony blair blew our pension fund
      • Jana 2 months ago
        Do we have enough young qualified nurses, firemen and builders to fill those vacancies? The retirement age is going up because we're an aging population and even if there wasn't an issue with unemployment the taxes paid by those under retirement age wouldn't be enough to support the country. But I'd argue that we have an issue anyway when young people are choosing not to continue education beyond age 16 (and many leave school at 16 with no qualifications). How are they going to fill the gaps that the older generation are leaving? Regardless of retirement age and unemployment levels we potentially face a major skills shortage in this country.
    • Ormeside  •  Milton Keynes, England  •  2 months ago
      A Simple question , why dont you ask if your MP would elect to be employed by Workfare ?
      • Tree 2 months ago
        Thats a good one...
      • Ormeside 2 months ago
        Tree, but so True and Thank You, at least I still have Manners whereas the Tories do not .
      • beefheart 2 months ago
        I can't afford the petrol money to London, and I am damn sure she is never up here when anyone wants her.
    • badboy  •  3 months ago
      Well i surpose as we are all talking about things like this in the year 2012,training for the kids ,i was a forman were we had lots of kids 16 /17 sent to us to trian ,they all did 40 hours a week ,, most the time filling skips so its not a new thing ,, most companys would not have them today as i was told ,When i asked last year on a refrecher CDM ,the reason health and safety, under 18 i was told dont have them to much red tape in heath/safety,, i wonder if thats the reason last year ,they said we might have to change some laws in H&S ,, Takes are eyes off the real prb and who caused it ,, yep the rich guys like the bankers,, but who pays the poor guys, As they say the rich make the wars but only the poor fight them
      • careal 2 months ago
        yer and i bet they got paid / theres a funny comment that nigels friend took on a 19 yr old girl and after a month she got a pay rise haha
      • SIDNEY 2 months ago
        they are going to be paid....job seekers allowance, council tax etc and all for working ONLY
        30 hours a week not much exploitation from what I can see
      • Shakin Dude 2 months ago
        For your information Sidney Ct and HB are now only paid upto 70%, try paying it plus bills with £64 a week spare
    • Loki  •  2 months ago
      If theres work there then why not just pay us for it?raise it to min wage and no one gets exploited.
    • Will  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      worl experiance is a valuable medium,however theres a vast difference between work experiance and free labour,for example you try and get aq job with tesco as an unexperienced anybody,there will be no vacancies ,they cant be training these ppl up to be management as there is nothing to manage stock control is almost totaly automatic,checkout staff positions are being made redundant,that leaves shelve stacking,great for the future of this countries economy,
      the governement and successivre governments need to reinvest heavily in industry again,re think the brown field policies as we clearly dont need as many farmers are being paid not to use them thats official,if they are not useing them we dopnt need them.
      tie the younger generation into proper full 5/7 year indentured apprentaships,with houseing / resettlement offers linked to that (upon completion of there apprentaship ) this should be tied in to the deal for a further 20 years to prevent the countries investment being sold off to the highest bidder again ,
      if the perspective apprentice dont like these terms dont accept it,and all this country will get is the brightest sparks accepting as they will see a government backed plan guarenteed work ans houseing for the next 20 years i cant lose
    • Granny  •  Reading, England  •  2 months ago
      So these young people have passed exams studied to try and get a good job. It is like a slap in the face to be told to stack shelves in a supermarket for a pittance from the government.
      It shows how much the government values the young.
    • jason  •  2 months ago
      starting to annoy me now how about ppl like me who is over 24 who has nvq qualifications (best in the world) in being a chef, ive been a chef for 16 years got laid off last year and i can not find a job anywhere myself. Not because of the lack of trying i apply for as many as i can even jobs what aint in catering, its simple there are no jobs out there and more than 2 million out of work its more like 6 million and this brain dead government thinks that creating 400 thousand jobs is enough when so many are out of work and companys ive spoken to has said its impossible for them to employ anyone at the moment. and the dopey government and ppl who has jobs thinks its easy to find work trust me it aint very hard to get out of the governments web of making you feel worthless and when you have jobcentres saying your useless or makes you feel useless you start to believe you are and its very very hard to get out of.
    • Juliet  •  Bristol, England  •  3 months ago
      If I was an employer, I would rather advertise a low paid job, and add 'with prospects', and hire a person who wanted to work and get on, than have ten people begrudgingly turn up out of fear, and watch them work poorly and without interest unitl they could leave.
    • ian  •  Manchester, England  •  2 months ago
      For those of us in our mid/late 40s will remember the YTS, I was taken on by ASDA for 6weeks filling shelves, sweeping, there must have been a dozen of us, when we left another lot came in like "rolling stock" Why is it people assume the "young" just stay in bed and believe they have to learn "getting up early" whilst I didn't have a job leaving school my father got me up with him and gave a whole list of jobs to complete in and out of our home and both my grandparents homes.
    • Jason  •  Manchester, England  •  2 months ago
      the young of today get a lot bad press .but they are not that stupid to work for nothing with no prospects.
    • Twain shall meet  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      In the early 1970's there was a huge government study to establish the value and importance of employment in individual terms of feelings of self worth etc. Around 20 to 25 years ago there was a great deal of talk about automation and computerisation "freeing" people from drudgery. Now there is a move to create drugery in order to create mundane employment. Add to that, moves to make higher level education less individually affordable and the subsequent opportunities for fullfilling employment will become available only to the new privileged few. This will form the basis for enormous social stress in the future. What's really needed is some political honesty now to address these issues.
    • joni  •  London, England  •  2 months ago
      Is this right? Young people get paid £70 per week unemployment benefit and they are told that to get work experience/training they must work for 30 hours? My mathematical ability seems to show that this is far short of the National Minimum Wage? You need to train how to fill shelves?? You need experience in going out to be at a place at a certain time? This is an insult to young people! It is also a cosmetic coverup - to hide the real unemployment figures - taking into consideration the number of people forced into part time work who wish to wrok full time, the number who are not claiming benefits etc the true number is in excess of 13 million according to the unions who have taken polls. Immigation must be stopped immediately, not reduced - and those already in the country must return home to give Uk people the opportunity to turn the situation around.
    • Yahoo! Prints Lies  •  Orkney, Scotland  •  2 months ago
      Workfare is there just so the government can lie to the rest of the public and say Unemployment is down.
    • Chris  •  Toulon, France  •  3 months ago
      It seems to me that the whole economic structure is somehow out of sync. There seems to be no investment in young people. Where are all the apprecticeships I would like to know. We need to have an environment where there is hope for people which is clearly lacking at present.
    • Ian  •  London, England  •  2 months ago
      My God it is so obvious and I have been saying this for years....stop immigration for about 20 years, close the bloody door. Let U.K. citizens get back to work in their own country.
      It reall is that simple, too many overseas cheats are coming to the U.K. and laughing at us by taking our jobs, can anyone else see that, come on. time for a radical change on immigration, let's get tough and save our country.
    • wxyz  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      People should be paid when they work, that's why I go to work, not for the experience. No wonder young people don't want to work when they are being swindled by this government of toff's that is more concerned with prayers at council meetings.
    • The world's press  •  2 months ago
      A full weeks work for 53 quid.. are they kidding - fares would cost you more than that to get into work.. fecking retards and of course once the work experience is up they boot you out and get the next sucker in - that way they pay NO wages, tax or NIC and the poor unemployed are actually OUT OF POCKET - Stop this racket - making the rich richer and stop immimgration - that might just take the jobless figures down - all MPs are MORONS
    • Big Manfred  •  2 months ago
      As an employer I honestly find if you pay your staff well and treat them right, you always get much more given back in hardwork and effort, no pay not a penny better off on this scam of a scheme I wouldn't do why the heck should younger people do it.