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    Cameron must reconsider his position on saving the euro

    By John Baron MP

    As the eurozone crisis becomes increasingly desperate, it's time for the prime minister to face reality.

    All the signs of stress are there. Mario Draghi, the president of the European Central Bank, is openly talking about the breakup of the eurozone. Even though Italy alone requires 300 billion euros in refinancing next year, eurozone members presently struggle to cobble together a new 200 billion euro loan to the IMF to help rescue the single currency. Several European leaders have warned of the difficulties of pushing the fiscal compact through their national parliaments. Meanwhile, the market continues to demand jaw-dropping interest rates on peripheral debt.

    The eurocrats have brought this on themselves. Their response to the eurozone crisis has been too little, too late. The umpteen summits, the various initiatives, the increased borrowing and loan agreements have failed to reassure the markets. This is because the central cause of the problem — that is, a lack of competitiveness — has not been addressed. Until this happens, all other measures are sticking plasters — and the markets know it.

    This recession is different: it is not a 'destocking' recession, which could be countered by a decent dose of Keynesian stimuli. This one is built on debt. Governments across the west have not lived within taxpayers' means. They have spent too much. The only true long-term remedy is for these economies to become more competitive, to generate growth and therefore better pay their way in the world. But there is little sign of this happening.

    In the short-term, cuts to spending and a touch of inflation will help. But these are not long-term solutions. Further relief may be provided if the ECB becomes the lender of last resort, and starts printing money. This decision is in the balance. But again, it is not a long-term solution.

    This is why the prime minister needs to be careful. The veto was right, but he will now be encouraged to participate in all sorts of deals to save the single currency. Such talk from the prime minister must stop. He needs to think again.

    That the underlying concept of the single currency was flawed is beyond doubt.

    Binding divergent economies together without fiscal union was, and remains, a massive mistake. History shows you cannot have monetary union without fiscal union.

    The eurozone members may now talk of fiscal union, disciplinary measures and penalties. However, cracks are already appearing as to how serious they really are. We do not forget how easily the eurozone members ignored the last fiscal strictures when the euro was born.

    Saving the euro may actually be making this recession worse. Denying countries the option of devaluation results in austerity packages having to be more severe. The sky will not fall in if countries leave the eurozone. Since 1945, there have been over 80 cases where countries have left a currency union; in the vast majority of cases, those countries have benefited. The UK's recovery in 1992 started almost to the day we left the ERM. If the euro were to fragment, consumers would still want their German cars and their French wine, not to mention Greek holidays — which of course would be cheaper come devaluation.

    So why is it that the eurocrats are living in this 'Alice in Wonderland' world? Why are they ignoring the markets and ploughing on regardless of economic reality? Why do they talk of economic catastrophe if the euro were to break up?

    It can only be that the euro is not an end in itself, but a means to an end — that being political union. The euro is a vital step towards this objective. Some eurozone leaders have even stated as much.

    In such a make-believe world, economic reality is marginalised and the eurocrats plough on, regardless of the harm that is being done.

    Economic vandalism is one thing; political vandalism another. Democracy has effectively been suspended in some eurozone countries. The appointment of eurocrats in Greece and Italy has so far been swallowed by the electorates. How long this will last with planned austerity packages yet to bite, only time will tell. This perhaps is a natural consequence of the fact that Greece, Italy and the others are no longer economically sovereign — they have no central bank, no control over interest rates, and no currency. Ever tighter fiscal controls will mean budgets policed by the unelected European Commission. Even in the currency union that is the US, at least each state elects its governor.

    The prime minister should not only face reality, but also publicly recognise that the euro may not be saved. Contingency plans and possible remedies should be more openly discussed. This would do the country a great service. It would help prepare the ground and perhaps soften the blow if it comes. Publicly recognising reality would be both right and popular. The government's rise in the opinion polls after the veto is no accident.

    However, the prime minister's veto should not be the end of this sorry crisis. Instead, it should mark the beginning of a process to renegotiate a relationship with the EU based upon free trade, competitiveness and growth, moving away from political union and deadweight regulation.

    This is not some grand utopian vision — it exists today. Switzerland in particular enjoys easy access to the EU's markets, without its burdensome regulation, and prospers as a result.

    This kind of new relationship with Europe would recognise that we want good relations with our neighbours - but that we also want to better engage with the faster-growing world outside the EU.

    John Baron MP is the Conservative MP for Basildon and Billericay

     

    40 comments

    • Neil  •  5 months ago
      Save the Euro? Look what happened to Ireland when they joined the Euro. Why not concentrate on saving THE POUND!?
    • stargazer  •  5 months ago
      Methinks a bit of commonsense. We do not need the euro and most people realise that if the euro disappeared then a lot of countries would be the better for it. Get back to a common market where countries can trade competitively and we will start to see economies bouncing back. Hopefully David Cameron will see sense and take the lead in this realisation and I am sure a lot of countries will follow.
    • BARRY G  •  Hull, England  •  5 months ago
      Cameron did the best thing for us, we have enough problems, without our Prime Minister, having to sit, listening to daily lectures by Merkel an Sarcozy, and put up with their insults and threats? It is a pity the Greece government bowed to their pressure? OHHHHHHH BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED FROM THE DAILY HEADLINES, I HAVEN'T READ A SINGLE COMMENT FROM EITHER, FOR AT LEAST A WEEK? Instead we now have a friendly
      replacement, trying the social torture approach, "hard then soft"? Also every new scheme the 2 have designed, over the last year, has flopped? Now we know why. They are in a worse position than we are? PULL US OUT OF THE EUROZONE CAMERON, RESUME THE OLD SYSTEM , TRADE WITH EACH OTHER, BUT RETAIN OUR OWN POWERS AT HOME? As for the 2 would be "dictators". Butt out, we are more than capable of looking after our own CITIZENS, LAWS AND VALUES!
      • kkonkkrete 5 months ago
        The UK isn't in the Eurozone, you moron. We use pounds not euros, in case you hadn't noticed.
      • BARRY G 5 months ago
        And mexico isn't in the real world, they pay for everything with drug money, any currency accepted. And you call me a moron. what a joke? Go to the nearest optician, and then you will be able to read, that Great Britain, has been invited by the HEAD of the Eurozone. to attend all future meeting, and offer their opinion on all matters, relating to the eurozone, even though they are outside the Financial Euro treaty? SO YOUR WRONG MY FRIEND? merry xmas and a happy new year to you anyway?
    • Adrian  •  London, England  •  5 months ago
      I fully agree, but isnt all this exactly what those of us who refused to jump onto the Bliar/Brown bandwagon have been saying for years? Having been ostracised for daring to disagree with Teflon Tony and Gormless Gordon, we are now being proved right!

      Are we now to recieve an apology from Nu-Liebor, and perhaps a little refund to pay for all the money they plundered from our pensions and then wasted?
    • Larry  •  Manchester, England  •  5 months ago
      Ask any of us "little people" in france, spain, italy or greece what happened when the euro was adopted and they answer. The price of everything doubled overnight.
      Economic slavery is the plan based on debt, Democracy suspended in italy and greece is
      a fair indication of where they want to go with this.
    • Dave  •  London, England  •  5 months ago
      Well put Mr Baron, nice to see someone in Government not afraid to talk about economic realities and not the pipe dreams that so many power hungry MP's are set on......
    • roger  •  Tamworth, England  •  5 months ago
      The EU spent 283billion on cheap Chinese goods in 2010, against sales of only 113 billion ,so straight away theres 170 billion. Simple !
      • boingsplat 5 months ago
        100 Billion for Trident and 5 Billion a year for wars, could also be saved.
    • robert  •  5 months ago
      It seems a major problem to renegotiating away from all but free trade is that the remaining countries in the fuller EU system would worry that we would have advantages. I doubt the Germans and the French, for example, would agree for us to backstep to what may well turn out to be an advantageous economic position. Our one advantage at the moment in having the City finance centre is a prize the Germans want for themselves . The ECB is in Frankfort and that is where they want the rest with the income that goes with it.The EU Government's desire to tax (for EU coffers) and regulate it shows their true colours. There is also no certainty they would play by the rules in respect of the market if that remained our remaining treaty tie with them. History shows France at least would be unlikely to. I expect the option will be to stay in as we are or to leave the system entirely. David Cameron should be taking the initiative rather than just reacting to the gameplan of others.
    • david  •  Leeds, England  •  5 months ago
      The time has come when we should pull out of the EU and save ourselves we can no longer keep on paying into a market that think only of France and Germany. We have lost too much money too many jobs and most of all are pride.
    • BRIAN  •  London, England  •  5 months ago
      My MP talking sense! Quelle surprise!
    • HENRY  •  Manchester, England  •  5 months ago
      With reference to competitiveness,I read in a German magazine that Germany would have to transfer industries to other countries,in order for the Euro Zone to succeed.Obviously the Germans would'nt be pleased with that.But the writer stressed,that is what would have to happen.
      • MikeP 5 months ago
        Countries that have transferred industries out are doomed. Look what happened here as bit by bit all production ceased. Better to send out stormtroopers than industry.
    • William  •  Manchester, England  •  5 months ago
      I thought John Baron was a bit of a dipstick for suggesting that Egypt could enforce the no fly zone over Libya, however in this occasion he is right the Euro has reached the end of the road. It is not in the best interests of Germany to remain in The Euro so in the end politics will make way to economics.
    • Unclejanos  •  Boulogne-Billancourt, France  •  5 months ago
      A shining example of the kind of argument that arises from its own conclusions. If you are too dull or shortsighted to see the fundamental absurdity of "competitiveness and growth" then your opinion can't count for very much. The present "crisis" was not cause, however, by bad politics - it wasn't even caused by those socially needy incompetents that we serially elect, to our shame. It was caused by greed. In the past, human society has come up with some inventive and effective ways of limiting and controlling greed. Not all of these ways would be acceptable today.
      It is also nonsense for anyone to claim they have a solution. I agree (astoundingly) with Mr Baron that patching a broken system is an error. Any broken system, such as both national and international banking, and personal and commercial banking should be allowed to die or humanely put to sleep. By placing our money in the "care" greed-driven multinationals we encourage greed, and we encourage the worst excesses of risk-taking in the cause of greed. If you are lucky enough to live in a country where there are mutual societies, put your money there and exercise your vote. If you are lucky enough to live in a country where there is a nationalized or wholly state owned bank, put your money there.
      Vote for anyone who wants to abolish secret accounting. Force all companies to publish all their accounts.
      Prevent recursive trading (such as futures trading) and tax stock speculation to such an extent that it becomes barely profitable.
      Oppose growth and oppose competition.
      If anyone grows, someone else has to shrink. If there is competition, there are losers as well as winners. And ultimately, we will all find ourselves responsible for the losers.
    • Sir Basil  •  London, England  •  5 months ago
      This country frequently goes to war to give people democracy and the right to self determination. If the politicians think that is a good cause, why do they consistantly deny those same rights to the british people?
    • Simon Gruffydd  •  Manchester, England  •  5 months ago
      The problem is that virtually all money (98% of the money stock here in the UK) is created out of thin air by commercial banks as debt to be paid back with interest. Which explains why the UK now owes (private, public and commercial debt) 1.5 trillion pounds more that there even exists. (Statistics taken from the Bank of England website). While the British Establishment continues to protect the fraudulent money creation system - we are looking at a complete monetary collapse in the UK, possibly within months.

      The Eurozone is in almost as perilous situation as the UK. It's not the currency, or "lack of competitiveness" that's at fault - it's the nature of the currency. All major western currencies s phoney debt money, expanding like a bubble till it bursts.

      Both the problem and solution is shockingly simple. But no political establishment in the UK or the EU dares to even address the issue.
      • A 5 months ago
        Start again, wipe all debt.
    • Twain shall meet  •  5 months ago
      The economic difficulties have been attributed, in large part, to the failure of the Banks. The Banks failed because of a universally acknowledged lack of regulation. Yet here we have an MP wishing to remove regulations. Would this de-regulation apply to MP's expense claims?
      • Dave 5 months ago
        The problems of the banks, however serious, turned out to be (for the Government) a rather fortunately timed disaster that allowed the Government to offload the blame for their own financial mismanagement over many years. The banking difficulties were just the final straw for a fragile economy......
      • Twain shall meet 5 months ago
        Did the banks fall or were they pushed?
    • DEREK W  •  Pittsburgh, United States  •  5 months ago
      what we want is a PM who has a backbone and puts this country FIRST....don't cravenly give in to europe
    • Steven  •  Maidenhead, England  •  5 months ago
      We in Britian have remained out of the Euro Single currency Market and therefore we should not be expected to bail out Those who are in Single currency Market and who are now in financial Strait. France and Germany have didctated the terms without taking individual Countries Financial Position before allowing single currency to take place.

      All formalities should be in place prior to a Country taking up single currency. Thoses who allowed people to join without taing into account a Countries current Financial status, plus economical Climate along with Spending reviews to remain well in its budgets.

      The only way out of this crisis, is for Trading throughout eurozone and the Globe. Borrowing should be set at on 10% of its income, Spending 20% to 25% of money coming in.

      No businees allowed to Rack up billions of debt and Executives, Directors , Banker Pay and so on must be Capped. Tax must be paid by top Companies and not allowed to get away with Tax evasion. The Permanent Tax Secretary who was on uk TV is not doing his Job and his office should be rechecked for all those who owe tax.
    • .  •  5 months ago
      Dollar Worries More Than Euro
      Dr. Feldstein further expressed deep pessimism about the Dollar more so than the Euro:
      “If I want to be more nervous about the future of a currency over the next five years, it is more reason to worry [about] the dollar…given the size of the U.S. trade and account deficit.” .2010
      .
      "Meanwhile, futures traders placed the biggest bets on record that the euro will decline against the dollar even as European officials mulled guaranteed debt sales to help Greece, according to Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) data as of March 9 2010. It was the fifth week in six that the amount climbed to a record."
      .
    • Ian  •  Petersburg, Russia  •  5 months ago
      This is the same old head-in-the- sand stuff We've been listening to for the past 30 years, maybe longer. Irrespective of your politics, it's time for everybody to realize that the banks are strangling us. They take and take and take and no one seems interested in stopping them. They have been living beyond OUR means for years and it has to stop. Productivity has increased consistently over the past 30 years while wages have stagnated.Is trying compete with slave labor in China the author's solution? The government should take control of the country's money supply and not leave it to a private institution that it licenses to print our money as debt.

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