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    Eurosceptics treated Cameron like a foul smell

    Betrayed by their hero, Cameron's eurosceptics are quickly returning to their bitter, angry roots.

    The last time David Cameron updated the Commons on his return from Brussels he was treated like a hero. The acclaim appeared to have no limits; the prodigal son, had he seen this display of lionising, must have felt like a big disappointment upon his own return. What a difference a follow-up summit makes. Yesterday the Tory eurosceptics edged away from the PM, collectively wrinkling their noses as if he had made a bad smell.

    Labour had anticipated this, and so had lined up a stratagem of its own to increase the discomfort. The opposition's jibes began even before Ed Miliband stood up to respond to Cameron's statement. When the prime minister told MPs that he had "vetoed that treaty" they exploded with laughter.

    The comedy threshold is always lower in parliament, of course, but this was nowhere near funny in the normal sense of amusement that you or I might understand. No, this was political laughter. As every single Labour MP screaming their head off knows, it is the kind used when its target is to be mocked into submission. Cameron's discomfort was obvious under this barrage of rolling-in-the-aisles hilarity.

    The frontbench was unusually deserted: George Osborne, chewing the cud, and Ken Clarke, arms folded and trying not to nod when Miliband made his points, had much more room to spread out than they are accustomed to. A garishly-tied Nick Clegg kept silent vigil to the prime minister's right - until, with the PM still speaking, he got up and strode out of the chamber. This did not pass unnoticed by the opposition. "Bye!" they waved frantically. Cameron gave them a grudging half-smile in response.

    At the bar of the House stood David Miliband, thoughtfully watching his brother's efforts with a faint smile on his face. 'There but for the grace of the unions,' he may have been thinking. But on this occasion he could not have done better than his younger brother, who is always at his best when on this kind of exuberant form.

    We discovered, he told MPs, that Cameron thinks "a treaty is not just for life, it's just for Christmas!" Cameron and Osborne protested when Miliband insisted that, despite the PM's veto, an EU treaty had been agreed to. "There isn't one!" Cameron shouted across the despatch box, mouth smiling, eyes glinting. Miliband's response was unusually strong for the leader of the opposition: "It talks like an EU treaty, it walks like an EU treaty - it IS an EU treaty!" The Labour backbenchers gave a loud cheer with plenty of bass.

    At least Cameron could engage with Miliband. His backbenchers were a very different kettle of EU-quota fish. Cameron did his best to lift them. It was a measure of his desperation that he was forced to resort to the sort of theatrics most often seen elsewhere in its nearest real-life equivalent - the pantomime. He got them chanting "nothing!" repeatedly at the opposition. He exaggeratedly turned around when Miliband suggested they didn't believe a word he said, prompting their own exaggerated denials. Methinks the government benches doth protest too much.

    Their grumpiness was best summed up by Mark Reckless, who icily asked Cameron: "Can the prime minister explain what it is he's vetoed?" The PM did his best, but this was a tough crowd. He did not experience the antagonism of old, that sense of comfortable, reassuring hostility. Nor was it the hero-worship of last month. Instead the atmosphere on the government benches appeared one of frustrated disappointment: like a band whose latest album was a huge let-down, Cameron had deflated them. Their disillusionment was palpable.

     
    • Magic Lemur  •  Oxford, England  •  3 months ago
      Give us a referendum Mr Cameron, and stop pretending you know better than the British people.
    • TAFFY  •  3 months ago
      Sooner or later the Whitehall Mandarin's, the Minster's and Government of the day will have to come to the people of this country and debate, what they have done over the last thirty or forty years. What have we gained and lost from being in the EU and before that the EEC.
      Most of all they will have to hold a referendum on wether we "the British People" wish to stay in the EU. This question will not go away, but wether the leadership of this nation has the courage to hold a debate and referendum is another matter. So Mr Cameron pluck up your courage, and do the right thing and let us decide the fate of our country. Not a politician in Brussels.
      • J 3 months ago
        UNelected by US!
      • J 3 months ago
        The majority of BRIT's! By far want OUT!
      • Curious 3 months ago
        TAFFY, I suggest you rethink your use of the word 'courage'. Cameron and Co. DO have the courage of their convictions and the Courage to see it through come hell or high water. That's the trouble. You make the common error of assuming that what You and I and most of us want is what Cameron and Co. want. Not so at all and whilst you have this Tory Government there is not much chance of a change of political direction. If you are still living in 'The Land of My Father's, The Land of the Free' etc you will not have many Tory voters around You, but here in England we have large numbers of politically ignorant lower class types on salaries less than £30K p.a. who either vote Tory, or waste their vote on fringe parties who can never possibly be in a position of political power in Britain, or who are too lazy to vote and are too stupid to realise that the only possible solution for ordinary people is to vote for a party where they actually have some chance of affecting the outcome and getting some possibility of a Government that might just be a bit more interested in them. Todays generation forgets that everything that we take for granted in this country in the way of our NHS and improved Welfare schemes and such benefits as compulsory annual holidays with pay and a shorter working week was introduced by Labour Governments in the face of consistent Tory opposition. I'm old enough to remember Churchill's wild ranting against the introduction of the NHS, just after the war and the manner in which he screamed about the improved workmens pension rights being a slippery slope to the destruction of the 'British' spirit. Coming from a man who throughout the war years never went without his boxes of prime Cuban cigars and his daily bottle of whisky, it was sickening.
    • alan  •  3 months ago
      I would like an honest government answer not the usual government policy of flim flam to the following. How much money do we really (no daily mail or guardian figures pls) put into the EU and how much money do we get back in trade and grants ? What are the real figures of cases overturned by the european court and how many times have British citizens been able to use it against other EU states? and most importantly Why are cases of terrorism allowed to be taken to the courts of human rights when terrorists have no concept of the human rights of their victims..
    • Highland  •  3 months ago
      David Cameron's situation now reminds one of that facing John Major back in the mid nineties. He's very much a moderate and a pragmatist by instinct with right wing hardliners sniping away at his back. He's not a happy bunny at the moment!!
    • Michael George  •  Hounslow, England  •  3 months ago
      The EU demands that everybody votes YES. If anyone has any knowledge of the EU they will have seen that the reason eastern European states were admitted is because being ex communist they are already trained to vote YES to everything. Add this to the fact that the Lisbon treaty (Constitution) uses majority voting and you start to understand the EU socialist agenda. The theoretical veto is useless in the new post Lisbon era. Thus Tory, Labour, and LibDem now have no say in what goes on in the EU, and are automatically outvoted and committed to all the EU whims. The only way to regain control of our future is to get out. The European (political) courts has been put in place to crack down on any dissenters. Everything the EU says or demands has, by EU law, to be implemented and our conflicting laws discarded. The UK Prime Minister and the Government are only able to plead for a derogation. We are now at the stage where we cannot stop the EU takeover. Only the collapse of the EU or us getting out - and that will now be difficult.
      • Curious 3 months ago
        MG You have a rather strange concept of what Socialism is if you think the EU is Socialist. If your comment is not just a sample of an ignorant political rant aimed a similiarly ignorant types, just work your way through the major countries of the EU and note how many are truly Socialist. Bear in mind that the mere use of the word in a Party title does not necessarily imply that such party has any real Socialist principles. After all, Hitler's extremist right-wing party was called National Socialist in order to encourage the support of the politically ignorant in the early days when he needed success at the ballot-box.
      • Z G 3 months ago
        the EU is communist.....'Curious' , please inform us when we get a vote on Manuel Barroso ??
      • DEBORAH 3 months ago
        I think you have misread the post AG, nowhere does Curious suggest that the EU is communist.
    • dingo39  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      by the term eurosceptics you mean about 70% of the population in the UK
    • DONALD  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      The E.U is not a democratic union. Its a hodge podge of little countries who trail along
      behind Germany and the French dwarves. This country has always stood on its own feet.
      Lets ditch them all and look after our selves for a change. Stop giving away millions of
      pounds to third world countries before we become one ourselvws.
      • MICHAEL 3 months ago
        the only problem with the UK leaving the EU is that you burnt all your bridges when you joined.i doubt if Australia or NZ have forgotten how you did the dirty on them in your eagerness to join the EEC.
      • MARY 3 months ago
        Britain has you see as a track record of doing the dirty on everyone!
      • Fen 3 months ago
        So, we are all together in the same world then Mary
    • Gabriel  •  3 months ago
      Cameron marched his troops up the hill to battle, he them marched them down again much quicker before battle commenced. He is all wind and p-e.
      • David 3 months ago
        I agree. Cameron is a total disappointment, a paper tiger.
    • Jeff  •  Liverpool, England  •  3 months ago
      Lets get this straight - Germany and France rule the E U . Britain is too weak and divided politically and enfeebled economically to do anything about it . The U K political elite will not give us our say on whether we wish to remain in it . We got one vote in the early 70's in which we were lied to about the implications !Plus , we were told that the economy would grow faster . If anyone cares to compare the pre and post Common Market / E E C /EU growth figures for the U K this is shown to be false BUT there is a way out . There are several decent countries to emigrate to to escape this tyranny - I've chosen the U S A but U K citizens , there's a big exciting world out there and a better , and more democratic future .
      • andy 3 months ago
        How very true there is a better world outside,When we had the common market we was doing better then when we were in a slump,The French the Germans ruined our car business,not the Japs ,what we had before they were jealous of us the comonwealth and it was a trading block in itself,but no UK messed it up by a weak prime minster ,who by the way got paid for getting us in the EU
      • Gargletrope 3 months ago
        Andy:
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        So the Unions didn't lose our car business..??
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        The Japanese came along and did it all far better. We were not competitive. Uncomfortable but true.
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        We voted on a Common Market. Somewhat different concept than what we have got now...
      • Tru Brit 3 months ago
        Red Robbo ring any bells. Andy.
    • Benny  •  3 months ago
      Prior to Christmas we were treated to Cameron's great "victory" over Fuhrer Merkel and her sergeant at arms Sarkozy. "Cameron stands up for British interests" roared the Tory press in unison.
      These Yahoo sites, and others were flooded with the anti-Europe brigade shouting Cameron's praises.

      One or two of us cautioned against jumping to conclusions. The rampant Tory sceptics brigade attempted to shout us down. Now the truth has come out. Cameron achieved precisely nothing and the media and the Common's knew it. I have been a harsh critic of Ed Miliband, but let me say that yesterday he whipped the rear end off Cameron and he repeated the performance at PMs questions today. Cameron was also told to withdraw remarks he made about Miliband and he also refused to address Miliband as the Right Honourable gentleman. This may not seem important, but it shows that Cameron had lost his head. Cameron finished up quoting from Tony Bliar to justify his empty rhetoric. Well that just about proved that Cameron had lost, and lost badly.
    • David  •  Brighton, England  •  3 months ago
      ah, the truth is coming out... "Peace in our time" comes to mind... come on Cameron, get the referendum going... we're going to be a tad annoyed if you let us down chap!
    • Kev  •  3 months ago
      The truth is, this Euro is of great benefit to the Germans - if they still had the DMark it would be harder for them to export but Southern Europes keeping the value of the Euro down making Germany goods even more competitive - but Southern Europe is paying for it with a depression - 20% unemployment.50% youth unemployment and an economy thats in recession with no end in sight - I personally think its immoral to support the Euro, especially for Labour as its a means of the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor!
    • Martyn  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      As ever Cameron has put party before Country,like all PMs since McMillan
    • MIRAGE  •  3 months ago
      Get out of the E.U. dictatorship machine now, before it collapses around our ears like a pack of cards, the Euro is doomed to failure and it is only the stuborness of the Germans who as always only want everyone to do what they want.
    • Edo  •  Zurich, Switzerland  •  3 months ago
      the heck is "eurosceptic" ? these idiotic neologism are pejorative and one-sided. Why not mention "eurofanatics" or "eurostubborn" or even "eurosuckers" ? The latter fits perfectly the suckers who still believe the EU will turn fine and great and glorious with strong currency and financial situation.
      hear , hear ....
    • Sammyparfitt  •  3 months ago
      Cameron was reduced to sneering and quoting from Tony Bliar. A good sign that he had got a good thrashing from the leader of the opposition both yesterday, and today.
    • Jerry M  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      can ed keep it up?
    • davey  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      Conservative government, companies crashing, and the economy's in the usual Tory nose-dive? Never mind, they can always annoy the Argentine over the Falklands....
    • George  •  Doncaster, England  •  3 months ago
      REFERENDUM , OUT OF E.U. SIGN UP ONLINE FOR REFERENDUM ,OUT OF E.U. BRITIAN TO GOVERN BRITIAN OUT OF E.U. NOW
    • M  •  3 months ago
      The whole victory over Europe thing in the end has turned out to a be a bit of a 'damp squib' . I thought Cameron had really stood up to Europe, but in fact has let us all down. Well, roll on the next election and lets vote for someone else other than the tired old parties who have only sold us down the river. Wheres our EU referendum ? Where's GREAT Britain ?

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