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    PMQs: Nowhere to hide for Cameron over his NHS reforms disaster

    The government's NHS reforms are in critical condition. After today's roasting from an in-form Ed Miliband, surely even the spin doctors can't save them now.

    It has been a few weeks since Ed Miliband chose to concentrate his entire ration of questions on a single topic. Maybe this was the reason it felt like David Cameron was on the receiving end of a barrage of never-ending, unrelenting bombardment. Every question saw Miliband push the prime minister further and further into his corner. This is one-way traffic: it was, for once, a triumph for the leader of the opposition.

    Football analogies are usually a sign a politician is feeling desperate. So, when Cameron complained that "even when he moves the goalposts he can't put it in the back of the net", we knew he was feeling a little off his game. "The person who's missing the goals," Miliband shot back, "is the prime minister." Ed Miliband has given us numerous demonstrations of his curious ability to miss open goals, but he did not make any mistakes today.

    Cameron even resorted to personal attacks against Miliband's leadership. Earlier this year his deliberate low blows had a withering, bullying quality, a kind of genuine pitiable-little-worm feel which actually threatened to topple the Labour leader. Not today. "This is a campaign to save his leadership," Cameron protested.

    Playing the man and not the ball might work in a slow news week, but not when the government's extraordinarily unpopular NHS reforms are at stake. For all his faults Miliband has not fallen for the temptations of hyperbole, that perpetual peril which awaits all opposition politicians. When he says - in a tender, more-to-be-pitied-than-censured tone, to boot - that Cameron "knows in his heart of hearts this is a complete disaster" - he means business.

    The Labour backbenchers were in a much more cheerful mood leaving the chamber than they were at the start. They are fed up at having the mild 'hear-hear' they give Miliband when he is called to speak interrupted by sarcastic cheers from government MPs. "We are taking people with us," Miliband began with, prompting cruel laughter from opposite. Cameron grinned as the Speaker made an early interruption. Those Labour MPs looked as grumpy as they did when their man at the despatch box was Gordon Brown.

    But then, through cumulative, attritional questioning, Miliband slowly developed his attack. He quoted the "irreparable damage" warned of by the Royal College of General Practitioners. He scoffed at the Tory Reform Group's concerns (even Nick Clegg couldn't help but smile at this). He mocked Cameron for being "agitated". The last was not quite accurate: the PM was more like an automaton, mouthing the same platitudes about cutting bureaucracy and improving the NHS that he has for over a year.

    Another tired tactic of the PM's is his reliance on blaming the last government. The one group of people he definitely won't be taking lessons from are Labour, he made clear. Shadow chancellor Ed Balls nodded along, eyes gleaming, in sarcastic approval. Miliband leapt up: "I'll tell him about our record in the NHS!" he declared, before listing achievement after achievement. His elder brother David, whose article of two weeks ago called for Labour to be prouder of its record in power, will doubtless be very pleased.

    "If the record was so good," Cameron replied rather woodenly, "why were they thrown out at the last election?"

    There were no cheers from the Tory benches, and then - after a brief pause - triumphant shouts from the opposition. They were pointing out Cameron's failure to secure an overall majority in 2010. It was the kind of slip-up which the PM makes very rarely. On the kind of off-day he suffered today it stuck in the memory.

    If the campaign to save the NHS is also a campaign to save Miliband's leadership, it's certainly working.

     
    • Asknoquestions  •  3 months ago
      Cameron was soundly thrashed by ED Miliband at PMQs. Cameron was left cursing the Labour Party for all the planets problems. Cameron is just a bully.

      The only things the Tories are good at creating is mass unemployment and mass poverty. Cameron forgets what a bloody awful mess that 18 years of Tory rule did to the NHS and the Schools. He also forgets about "Black Wednesday" and 15% interest rates.
      • Granny V 3 months ago
        Don't let us forget the destructions of our mines, industry and the splitting up of our railway system. The NHS improved greatly under the last government.
      • Michael 3 months ago
        We can thank all those idiots who voted Tory at the last general election for this. Fools, fools, and more fools.
      • Amethyst velvet 3 months ago
        We'd have been even bigger fools to let NU Labour have another term. Blair, Brown, Mandy and Prescott......I don't think so!
        Granny.......is that why we have such a huge deficit then by spending money we didn't have?
    • Chris  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      Cameron needs to pull out of this NHS Reform thing, it will never work as is because it hasn't been thought out or properly planned, it was just one of those Sound bites that took on a life of its own, appart from the usual suspects nobody feels that this scheme will improve or save money in the NHS. It is an organisation that has grown out of control, mainly because no one accepts full responcability for it, too much segmentation and abuse by non UK residents.
    • King Solomon  •  Sheffield, England  •  3 months ago
      Whether or not Cameron got the loudest cheers is irrelevant - it's his so-called "reforms" that count and they look like a ship detemined to crash on to the rocks and drown everyone aboard.

      When will Tories keep their incompetent hands off the Health Service? Their approach is corrupted by a prior assumption that competition brings out the best. It does in some circumstances. In others, it brings about duplication of effort, cut-throat pricing, leading to poor and/or unsustainable service (because there is no safety margin, in cash terms, built in), and short-term closures (remember all the hospital and ward closures during the 1990's?). Until the Tories rid themselves of this way of thinking (and Cameron has shown no sign of achieving this) then they should leave the Health Service well alone.

      Dump him now, Cleggie; we saw the look on your face yesterday and you know it makes sense, before they drag you even further down into the mire that they have created for themselves - and you.
    • Geoffrey  •  Bornova, Turkey  •  3 months ago
      I agree with the labour leader cameron should leave th NHS alone however this is just another tactic of the Tory@ to put presure on the working class just as they have done with the carbon Tax in preventing the common people going on holidays, only the rich fat cats can afford the air fair now. there is going to be a back lash the folks of the UK will only take so much, you mark my words!!!
      • Mapmak 3 months ago
        I hope this isn't meant to be a rational assessment of the state of the country, sadly it has all the marks of the usual left wing rants. Carbon Tax is subscribed to by all parties. All parties know that that sacred cow the NHS has to be dealt with, simple and undisputed fact, the country cannot afford it as it is at present. It continues to drain money from the coffers without addressing any of the major faults within its system. At some point we all have to face the fact that to have the service we want we will have to pay more and that it cannot continue to be free at the point of use for all people. Who are these common people; not long ago I helped a friend out in his Post Office; it was amazing to see the number of people on a variety of state benefits who were managing to have two weeks holiday on the Costa del Plonk.
      • Rob 3 months ago
        Everyone knows that the Tories would skin a fart, rather than give a member of the working class a whole one but never mind Mapmak thank you for your right wing rant anyway.
    • Marian  •  3 months ago
      I fear mr Cameron is trying to be selective about his answers and comments in P&Q's he sounds like a confused ,worn out tape machine, showing signs of being inadequate and ill informed about the N.H.S. Treatment needed perhaps.
    • Sammyparfitt  •  3 months ago
      Cameron is just a no-brained Tory ex-public school boy, bully. Miliband whipped the backside off him, what does he do-shout and scream its all Labour's fault. He even blames them for black Wednesday and 15% interest rates.

      What an utter buffoon, just like his supporters on Yahoo.
    • GARRY  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      God help us if they privatise the NHS, they privatised the trains, and the buses, and look where we are now!
      • MICHAEL STAGG 3 months ago
        You can die privately on a train be run down by a bus dropped on by aircraft parts and buy insurance, a wonderful society that treats you after the disaster like AA roadside get you going repairs, not that as far as cars are concerned the AA is any but good or used to be. At least you now know what pollutants you have contracted before the GP tells you so that must be some comfort, perhaps ?
    • Nigel Nobes  •  Warwick, England  •  3 months ago
      This is indeed a scandal. the worst since the very first tory privatisation of the integrated railways network. lets hope this most arrogant and incompetent pm ever gets his comeuppance.
    • RedTez  •  3 months ago
      He doesn't need to hide - he'll just front it - after all - as he has already proved - what can we do about it anyway!! Illigitimate government with out a mandate to do anything is changing everything!! Arrogance beyond belief!!

      PS why would a rich man care about where the poor get thet medical treatment?? Maybe because the best available wasn't for sale?? Well it will be soon!!

      Best Regards ALL
    • KEN  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      the n.h.s hangs on sky hooks thanks to d .camorn
    • King Solomon  •  Sheffield, England  •  3 months ago
      One fundamental flaw with these reforms (should we not be looking for "improvements" rather than "reforms"?) is that they require doctors to take on budgetting. Now, I am not an accountant or a doctor but both are quite different professions. If you were an accountant or a finance/budget manager, would you also want to have to learn about being a medical practitioner, as an integral part of your job? If Cameron thinks that the average GP has the time or inclination to manage budgets, he must know some very strange doctors.
    • TREVOR  •  3 months ago
      If the reforms are so good why are some Tory ministers against them.
    • Franklydarling  •  3 months ago
      The same old Tories. Steal off the poor to pay the rich and the banksters, when they have done that they remove the NHS and the welfare state. Tory motto, if the poor don't work, they can starve.
      • Amethyst velvet 3 months ago
        In most countries, if the poor don't work they do starve. The trouble is consecutive governments haven't encouraged the infrastructure to provide the opportunities for many to obtain meaningful employment or much employment at all, come to that. This is what government should be putting their all into doing.
      • SUSAN 3 months ago
        @ Amethyst Velvet - the Tory Party used to believe in what you are saying - but now they are merely mostly driven by greed - they do, as Franklydarling suggests - steal from the poor. The gap between rich & poor in our country is growing - the top bosses, CEO's used to expect to be paid only 6 times more than the lowest paid, then it was 40 times more, now its more like 400 times more - and all while the very fabric of the economy, and country in general are falling down around our ears - it's totally immoral, and unjustified - as the level of reward does not relate to any kind of success. Many people complain about state-owned 'business' bosses being paid ridiculas amounts (and it shouldn't be allowed) - but they are simply mimicking the private sector.

        All the Tories stand for is greed for greeds sake, and privatisation for privatisations sake.
    • Dave  •  Sheffield, England  •  3 months ago
      I am suprised Camoron did not blame Ramsy Macdonald for the failure of the NHS, but wait for it any straw for a drowing man.
    • moonraker  •  Chorley, England  •  3 months ago
      Never mind Camerons blunder with the NHS. What a bout his counterpart OSBORNE, Stealing the the Childrens Welfare Benifit Shame on the Conservative Party, and the Liberals too.
    • cru  •  3 months ago
      The british people will remember what camoron is doing to the NHS, he is trying to get his rich cronies into the NHS, it is also the first step towards privatisation, even some of his own party dont want the reforms, take note, if these reforms go ahead it will be the death of the NHS, I can only hope it will be camorons poll tax moment.
      • Mark 3 months ago
        It was on the issue of the EU that Mrs Thatcher's premiership ended.
    • Minerva  •  3 months ago
      Miliband won 6 - nil on PMQ's today. Cameron's showed, with his shouting, red-faced blustering and personal jibes,that he is not only on the back foot, but knows he's lost the argument; not just with Miliband, but with a country overwhelmingly against this disastrous bill. He would rather sacrifice the NHS and all it means to us, than lose face over another u-turn. His behaviour is immature and pathetic in the extreme.
    • K ELLIOT  •  Milton Keynes, England  •  3 months ago
      I cannot be the only person in this country, who does not think that it is time to take the NHS out of the political arena. If the NHS were run by a committie from both parties. It might five years to get it up and running. We would then not have both parties wasting billions just to get votes. The Tories are just about to loose any trust they had over this issue.
      WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ARREST 'TONY BLAIR'
    • Dave  •  Sheffield, England  •  3 months ago
      You got your son treated on the NHS let it remain so we can get treated as well you rich poser
    • Mr look for the truth  •  Hull, England  •  3 months ago
      Well Cameron seems to be in hiding, haven't seen much of him lately except for a brief outing to comment on the england football managership. What a waste of space when the going gets tough the wimps run for cover.

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