New Green Deal To Cut Carbon Emissions

There we go again! The gormless 'leaders' thinking that reducing the UK's carbon emissions is going to make a significant contribution to reducing CO2/reducing global warming! At 2.83% Britain is the tiniest of bit-players in the production of man-made CO2. Even Tony Blair is on record as saying that if the UK stopped producing all its anthropogenic CO2 China would make up the difference within 2 years! Add the ever increasing contributions of Brazil, the USA, Indonesia, India and others and it���s more like a few months!
And what do we pay for this insane frenzy stirred up by ���green��� activists? ��Billions! At least ��500 per annum per family ��� and set to increase way beyond this.
There are cases of County Councils turning off road lights ���to save CO2 emissions���. It���s like trying to empty the Pacific Ocean with a teaspoon! At the same time they expose people to increased incidents of road accidents and deaths, burglary and vandalism, assault and rape and the fear of vulnerable people who are ghettoized in their own homes! All for nothing!

Michelle Clifford spouts about industry having a free ride,and we will have to knuckle down and pay for it! British Industry is already losing its competitive edge to foreign coountries who have had a integrated energy policy and the space to implement limited wind power for years.One wonders what they will say when 20% or more are unemployed as a result.
As an example of this government's ineptitude we have the energy minister on BBC 4 just this week, demonstrating a complete lack of basic understanding when explaining 3 new power stations to be run on bio mass i.e. wood.The UK currently produces about 16 million tons annually. The price is rocketing because of the bio mass subsidy, so wood that could be used for proper purpose is now being burnt.The new stations will require up to 60 million tons annually at full capacity and the idiotic comment form our governments experts - "we will grow significantly more in this country to make up the shortfall".Absolute garbage! We will import millions of tons from sites "certified" to be sustainable, which they will sanctimoniously say we police, but with these idiots and commercial interests will be nothing of the kind.
We already have wind farms that are capable of producing only a small fraction of our energy needs,and are an environmental disaster for anyone living any where near. Their cost of production is foisted onto the NationlGrid mainly at times it is not required, and at a cost 6 TIMES greater than the current costs elsewhere,
One never sees green energy "experts" or correspondents telling us that our energy bills are going to be at least 6 times the current cost plus inflation.Tell people they will be facing annual bills ��5000 for a 3 bed house.see how they react.
Solar panels are a joke with a real payback counted at least 15 years or more.However again with the governments blessing you can now instal Photovoltaic panels and achieve a payback of around 13% guaranteed for 25 years. No wonder commercial enterprises are beginning to instal fairly large systems,to supply the grid - again when its not needed. The peak demands are in the morning and early evening particularly in the Winter when these systems produce nothing.
" Never mind" say the experts it's green energy - the fact that it's absolutely useless and costs the taxpayer 6 times the cost again is never explained.
Green experts seem to think that governments have money - they don't it's those in work and companies paying taxes that have to fund it.
One looks to France with large Hydro and dozens of Nuclear plants with envy in that their energy policy has been working for years and they now export electricity to UK and elsewhere, whereas we used to be a nett exporter to them.
Modern coal fired plant with NOx and other scrubbers are far more efficient and cheaper to run than most biomass systems. Not only will wood escalate in price but the cost of wheat and some rice has doubled because of soya and other biomass products being grown instead.
This has caused widespread famine in some underdeveloped countries: a situation that was relatively easy to predict and yet no Green expert seems able to rectify or even comment.
It would seem that unless Nuclear power is adopted within the UK we will become even more uncompetitive, and will not be able to support our existing population, at anything like our current levels of wealth and disposable income, in the longer term.
It may even come as asurprise to the green lobby that we dont have Tsunamis very often and earthquakes at 9.1 on the Richter scale are not weekly events either.Unfortunately all politicians seek to retain power and reasoned decisions based upon fact are not necessarily going to please their electorate who are fed scare and hyped stories by TV and other media, like this piece by Michelle Clifford, who want to sell newspapers, and are mainly on their own agenda or do not cover all the facts

about time we used the tidal flow in our estuaries and river flows, these are systems that dont stop like the useless wind turbines that are a blot on the landscape and don't produce a vast amount of generation capacity

Windfarm founder Adam Twine told Sky News: "It's very exciting. If the Energy Secretary can pull this off it will be a real coup.

what he means is that he will be even richer from his misguided and harmful wind turbines.

Stop the world, I want to get off!
In other words he's worried by impending EU fines which are due to be levied, so is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. He's saying let's waste huge amounts of money and on materials and energy to build some contraptions and green world order paraphernalia to further milk the hoi-polloi and line the pockets of billionaire green world order investors.

Wills makes a good comment and example in his post,
the bio mass industry can not sustain nor supply in the short or long term sufficient amounts of fuel. that can be deemed useful for power generation, exsisting stocks would be exhausted in a couple of years, with a replant to crop cycle of some 30 years this has to be one of the biggest ill fought out green power supply initatives ever thought up! the legistraition allowing this to happen started around the end of 2008, witch ineffect protected the large albeit redundant FC gave them more powers to addminister the import of timber [ as wills touched on] so countrys they deem ok uk importers can import from . at the same time it was made almost impossible for very small producers of timber to be able to manage there own business without being obliged to contract a inhouse or private contractor to such a extent that even firewood for your own use needed a licence ! the whole idea of using timber stocks for fuel generation is absurd the people who could use it to provide heating and cooking in a enviromentally freindly way were legislated against in favour of companys who would sell the timber back to you and me at a huge proffit, moving the timber in some cases hundreds of miles away on large wagons drying it then reselling it in areas were they dont use [ or very little] timber for heating, so hardly a enviromentally friendly move, using large 30 ton wagons to move brash, timber, destroying roads in the process, it also looks like its not cost effective after the sums have been done judging by the amount of bundled brash just left at the back end of a forest to rot! this was all about jobs for the boys and using enviromental/power production issues as a form of control through legistration.

In Top gun I remember a phrase about writibg a cheque your body cant cash, this Government writes cheques it cant cash then screws the a**e out of us for it. Camerons good at spending money we aint got

"climate change" & carbon emissions are a scam...its simply a means of gaining power orwellian control over the masses...the only "climate change" going on is the geophysical warfare (hurricanes, tornados, droughts, earthquakes, tsunamis etc) being produced by HAARP & the chemtrail spraying of our atmosphere...search for "geoengineeringwatch", "haarp chemtrails" or visit site aircrap .org to see whats really going on

"The threat of environmental crisis will be the "international disaster key" that will unlock the New World Order." --Mikhail Gorbachev

So we're going to line the pockets of people like Adam Twine AND cut the deficit? Where's the money to come from> Totally bonkers!

Perhaps the mosr level-headed comment so far. Way2go, Karl!..

about time too .... there are 80,000 hydro sites on the rivers of uk (would replace a couple of power stations ) and almost none are used for generation, no funding for hydro either ! all deleted under labour. Hope Cameron manages to really pull it off .
lets go geothermal , we are after all sitting on a molten planet !!

having just spent 12,000 on a solar pv panel system on my roof I think it is going to be the best money I have ever spent. Sure, I had to borrow the money from the bank to do it but after paying the deposit and the first three months repayements it looks like it will more than cover its own costs after that and my electric bill is almost gone. Its a win win situation as far as I am concerned. so for those dead heads that want to whinge all the time and sit on the fence then all I can say is perhaps that fence should be electrified, the government is offering massive incentives to those that want to do something.DO IT.

The UK has 400 years of coal, available now.

As a consequence of pandering to the green lobby, the UK will finally arrive at it's inevitable destination - becoming a third world economy, with all the poverty and miseryt that will entail. It is obvious that India, china, Brazil, etc etc will just smirk at us, as they enjoy the economic benefits of booming economies while they watch the slow, insane, slide of Britain down into economic ruin. Those countries will develop their economies while we carry on building pointless, costly windmills everywhere.

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If every country on the planet enacted a similar policy the predicted effect on the planets temperature would be to reduce it by a maximum of 8 hundredths of 1 degree C by 2100 however to do this would backrupt the entire planet you wouldnt even be allowed fart!

The people that are predicting Co2 armagedon are the same people that 30 years ago said we were approaching a new ice age and as we in the UK only produce 2% of the planets human induced Co2 the cost and trauma involved in this exercise is pointless. We also have to bear in mind that the warmists also predict oil will be exhausted by 2050 so if they just wait a few years before we cover the planet with ineffective wind turbines the problem will go away in anycase.

Naively I thought that being academic implied a raised level of intellect how stupid, clearly the individuals that are predicting such catastrophy should be rounded up and put in a secure place where they are denied any contact with the real world they are more dangerous than any Osama or Taliban or terrorist organisation, intellectually sub normal.

I voted for Cameron would I do it again no but unfortunately they are all as daft lets hope the EU caves in over Portugal, Spain, Ireland and Greece, Spain of course only recently tried to go completely green and they still owe Euros 129,000 billion to photovoltaic investors and for every green job created they lost a minimum of 2.7 jobs in the traditional market as in California where they are going through the same process all energy intensive industries and most smaller businesses havemoved over the border because they were going bust due to the high cost of electricity in California, barking mad!

If every country on the planet enacted a similar policy the predicted effect on the planets temperature would be to reduce it by a maximum of 8 hundredths of 1 degree C by 2100 however to do this would backrupt the entire planet you wouldnt even be allowed fart!

The people that are predicting Co2 armagedon are the same people that 30 years ago said we were approaching a new ice age and as we in the UK only produce 2% of the planets human induced Co2 the cost and trauma involved in this exercise is pointless. We also have to bear in mind that the warmists also predict oil will be exhausted by 2050 so if they just wait a few years before we cover the planet with ineffective wind turbines the problem will go away in anycase.

Naively I thought that being academic implied a raised level of intellect how stupid, clearly the individuals that are predicting such catastrophy should be rounded up and put in a secure place where they are denied any contact with the real world they are more dangerous than any Osama or Taliban or terrorist organisation, intellectually sub normal.

I voted for Cameron would I do it again no but unfortunately they are all as daft lets hope the EU caves in over Portugal, Spain, Ireland and Greece, Spain of course only recently tried to go completely green and they still owe Euros 129,000 billion to photovoltaic investors and for every green job created they lost a minimum of 2.7 jobs in the traditional market as in California where they are going through the same process all energy intensive industries and most smaller businesses havemoved over the border because they were going bust due to the high cost of electricity in California, barking mad!

This is economic suicide. When will the politicians grasp the concept that wind and other so-called 'renewables' will never, ever, provide us with the constant electricity which we need - and in any case, representing around 2% of global emissions, the UK's costly efforts to reduce plant-food (CO2) will make no difference whatsoever.
Let's all move to Venezuela where petrol is 1.4p a litre (no, that's not a typo)....

This is insanity and stupidity combined.

This green green total speculation and plan to tax us for everything and everywhere. What is carbon dioxide? Plans use it for respiration and enhaile oxygen. Dead simple! Plant more trees for much less money and leave taxpayers to feel the life they supposed to. Majority work today 60 hours to bring ends together and cameron thinks this not enough. Air companies taxing today for each mile of fly. OK money is taken tell me now where they go, how my money reduces CO2 when electricity companies claim not enough and in my block of flat 6 light balbs on 24 hours for weeks when I called to housing asociation after 5 days they told me it will be sorted in next 5 days. WHO there cleaver? Cameron? Counbt someone how much energy would have used 6 balbs 24 hours 10days. No, nobody would because it is business of FDA THE MORE THEY HAVE SOLD THE MORE PROVITE IN THEIR POCKETS.

Go ahead you stupid polititians! Spend, spend, spend money we ain't got for technologies that wont reduce global warming one iota! And that goes for spending MY money - and everyone elses - in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya when it's none of our fecking business!