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    Doctors' Union To Decide On Industrial Action

    Doctors' leaders are holding talks later on whether to vote on taking industrial action after a row over the Government's controversial pension reforms.

    British Medical Association (BMA) members are angry at proposed changes to pensions which involve higher contributions, an end to the final salary scheme, and alterations to the automatic lump sum payable on retirement.

    Last month, doctors and medical students overwhelmingly rejected the Government's "final" offer on pensions.

    The BMA said the changes would see younger doctors paying more than £200,000 extra over their lifetime in pension contributions and work eight years longer, to 68.

    Officials have urged the Government to reopen talks with the health unions, but said neither the Treasury nor the Health Department had signalled any change to their position.

    If a ballot for some form of industrial action is ordered, it will be the first among doctors since the 1970s.

    It comes amid claims some hospital bosses are fiddling figures to meet Government waiting list targets.

    Meanwhile, leaders of a teaching union on Friday rejected the pension changes, delivering a fresh blow to the coalition's hopes of ending the long-running dispute.

    The executive of UCAC , which represents thousands of teachers, headteachers and lecturers in Wales, warned that the option of further strikes remained open.

    The union leaders, meeting in Aberystwyth, said they wanted to negotiate further with the Government, and will step up its campaign alongside other unions to press for improvements to the offer.

    The row over pensions remains deadlocked, with some unions warning of fresh industrial action, possibly on March 28.

     
    • Richard  •  Chesham, England  •  3 months ago
      The best thing this government could do is change MPs own Pensions to exactly the same basis as they are proposing. Will they?
      • M 3 months ago
        As far as I am aware, politician do NOT contribute towards their pension anyway - doctors do.
      • realist 3 months ago
        well the labour party would have to vote against it as they brought in he 5yrs and get a pension scheme
      • Daniel 3 months ago
        They are having reform, but no where near to the same level. Agree they need to match or they're all just typical Socialist MP's i.e. on the take and one rule for the people and another for the political elite!
    • Sonia Everett  •  Haywards Heath, England  •  3 months ago
      The Caring has completely gone out of the profession.! with all the mis-diagnosis and the mishaps in today's Hospitals and at the GP's I certainly have only fear, not satisfaction to go to the GP's . Try and even get an appointment ! Its all turned into a free for all. About time the patient came 1st. and The Medical profession shaped up, to its responsibilities.
      • James 3 months ago
        well said stopped going to my doctors 8 years ago..Chancers who sleep with the drug companies not carers
      • Mark 3 months ago
        Yeah, you should be treated by voodoo men. That's what this country deserves.
      • Nabs 3 months ago
        Then feel free to plan a change that will work to your satisfaction with the same resources.
        As far as mishaps and mis-diagnosis I agree the causes and such should be looked at and examined: If I may suggest is it:
        1. Poor training?
        2. Poor management?
        3. Lack of time and resources?
        4. The actual presentation and natural pattern of disease and range of possibilities?
        Or something else......
        ..... where is the debate?
    • elmer fudd  •  3 months ago
      what really pisses me off with this government. cuts here there everywhere, nothing is ever done, about payments, to the thousands of illegals, living off benefits, sending money home to there families, keeping terrorists in our prisons, its must cost billions a year to house and keep these morons, the government needs to look at lower levels of society, stop banks, giving themselves enormous bonuses,and now we are spending thousands helping somalia, and what are they doing in londonstine. committing rapes murders why help these animals,
      • Tony 3 months ago
        Off topic. Go away. See a doctor.
      • CL 3 months ago
        Damn right. All of this is kept well hidden from us. The problem is ,no minister is brave enough to mention these things for fear of being called Racist. Then the Human Rights Vermin Lawyers would jump on the case. I`m afraid all these immigrants have got it sussed. They have their own people here organising everything, and we can`t say a word, or do a thing about it.
      • LINDA 3 months ago
        Careful these sites are being watched, it's illegal to have an opinion now!!
    • Mr Who  •  Nottingham, England  •  3 months ago
      The only industrial action i want to see is more Surgerys open for longer hours
      • Nabs 3 months ago
        My docs is open from 8.30 to 8 pm, I do not think that is too bad. However more surgeries open would be useful then maybe there would be smaller numbers of people seeking appointment for the same slots.
    • Lee  •  3 months ago
      when will the MP's change their pension system so that its the same as all the other public sector workers?
    • diablo  •  3 months ago
      Why should people who are low paid pay tax to help subsidise the pensions of high earners. GPs earn around £2000 per week more than enough to pay for their own pension.
      • sus 3 months ago
        low paid?..they don't.
      • eavesdrop 3 months ago
        They are paying for their own pensions, that's what pension are, deffered pay.
      • Phil 3 months ago
        You forget Sus, low paid or not you still pay VAT, Rates etc.
    • kieran  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      do we even have British doctors anymore?
    • RICHARD  •  Milton Keynes, England  •  3 months ago
      the thing is that if every one did thier job eficiently and right the first time this country would not be in the mess it is in, thisapplies to a lot of doctors, we have seen in the press good diagnosis initialy and prompt treatment can save 75% of the cost of an illness or a condition, ghost patients, etc, reduction in out of hours cover to the point where it now costs a fortune and probably costs much more due to poor outcomes and longer treatment, plus the overriding problem of unecissary deaths and disablement, as with diabetes blood test being done just to targets of QOF.
      now the above only applies to those who hqave been infected by the apperthy doctors fall into after the exubeance of profesionalisam goes.
    • realist  •  Manchester, England  •  3 months ago
      so the doctors want to go on strike, about the nhs, didn't they threaten to go on stike against the implementation of the nhs in the 40's, seems to me they cant make a diagnosis and stick to it
    • termite  •  3 months ago
      Why do we pay so much to foreigners, all the doctors in this country are not White english born and bred. try and find a white face in any hospital. they come to Britain because no other country will have them and out own doctors are then deprived of the jobs.

      Time we came out of Eyrope and gave Britain back to white English people.
    • neathguard8 skewen  •  3 months ago
      The amount of money they earn they do not need a pension scheme. They earn on average 120,000 a year and I am old enough to remember that when the NHS was formed under the Atlee government the BMA opposed the NHS, and it seems to me that things have not changed much
    • Paul M  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      When will civil servants understand the taxpayer is getting fed up with of having to work longer just to keep them with a pension that so many people will not have. Let them strike they will only make the public hate them more than they do now.
    • sunbeem  •  3 months ago
      The pension cuts are all over England The doctors are not been singled out it is equal rights after all, it is the the working people, tax payers who pay their wages and and no job is worth 100k a year and with all the cuts that are been made it is only the doctors that are benifitting why should they be allowed it be higher than any one else in fact they are paid so well they can afford to do job share like the rest of the people who have to do this They should not be thinking of industrial action over pennies they have become plain greedy
    • Daniel  •  3 months ago
      How is it fair that a GP on £120k+ per annum can retire on approx £60-£80k per annum whereas a Private Secor employee paying the same contributions for the same period retires on £20k per annum?

      We value the Public sector, but it's hardly fair is it. Browns Socialism project killed Private Pensions and now the Liberals and Labour want to reduce the higher rate tax relief for people earning over £60k. Crazy. In 30years time this Country will be wrecked as every Private sector employee will be on the breadline having paid for Pensions for the Public sector and Welfare for the underserving over that same period.

      Reduce Public sector Pensions and Reduce Public Sector Spending and give Private Sector Pensions more tax relief so both Private and Public pensions are comparable.

      Stop moaning about the 1%, no one on Yahoo is in the 1%!! Why should the 80% suffer to pay for the 19% who are moaning about the 1%!!!!???!!!
    • D. C. Preston  •  Hull, England  •  3 months ago
      The NHS and the wider public sector seems to be run for the benefit of the staff employed therein rather than those who fund it. The ranting union leaders interviewed on TV news programmes are still repeating the mantras of the 60's and 70's - in the same accents. Their predecessors ruined UK industry then, and they seek to ruin the rest of us now. The Stalinist-type edifice which is the NHS has to be reformed to focus on patients needs and taxpayers' limits. This should not be a party political issue, and our politicians should work together to do what is needed. Even Labour recognises the need for change, but did not have the bottle to do anything when in power, apart from throw billions more at the NHS, with absolutely no improvement at all.
    • Peter  •  Brighton, England  •  3 months ago
      let them.
    • LEE  •  Hitchin, England  •  3 months ago
      Are these the same GPs that this govt want to control the NHS budget? Funny how theybsay that they (the GPs) are all for their proposals, this may have them thinking again. I feel that MPs should lead by example and reform their own pensions first before imposing their will on others.....
    • Cheery !  •  Hounslow, England  •  3 months ago
      They still get silly money and now don't work nights or the w/e. Half time the paramedics are more use than they are.... stop bloody whinging and try working...
    • Roger  •  Manchester, England  •  3 months ago
      Ifthey dont like the pension scheme, join another. They ought to be able to make provisions out of £100,000 a year, with overtime available at £500 a shift.
    • Patrick  •  3 months ago
      Time for all public sector workers to pay their own pension contributions into private funds. They should no longer expect the rest of us to pick up their bill, especially as they are now on such huge salaries in comparison to the rest of us. Look at the police, an inspector on 50k a year-- what a joke. All public sector pay scales should be set by a comittee of local people. There would not be many council leaders on 150000 per annum.