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    All eyes on Lords for benefits cap vote

    By Alex Stevenson

    Plans to prevent benefit claimants receiving more than £26,000 a year could prompt a coalition rebellion in the Lords later.

    Paddy Ashdown has indicated he is prepared to vote against the government, in what would be a first for the former Liberal Democrat leader.

    He told Sky News on Sunday that the moves were "completely unacceptable".

    Lord Ashdown insisted "this legislation is in its present form I won't accept," before expressing a hope that work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith could mitigate the impact of the changes through transition arrangements.

    Deputy prime minister Nick Clegg insisted the "basic principle" of a cap on benefits preventing any claimant from receiving over £500 a week would not be shifted, however.

    The Lib Dem leader conceded that transitionary arrangements could be looked at, though, in an interview on BBC1's The Andrew Marr Show.

    Coalition plans to reform the benefits system have encountered extensive opposition in the Lords so far this month, with changes to the disability living allowance prompting three defeats in one sitting.

    Leaked government correspondence suggests the number of homelessness 'acceptances' could double the number already expected as a result of the benefits reforms to total 40,000.

    There are also concerns the total cost of the move could end up costing more than the estimated £270 million of savings.

    A letter from communities and local government secretary Eric Pickles' office, published by the Observer last July, warned that the savings do not take into account the additional costs to local authorities through homelessness and temporary accommodation.

    "In fact we think it is likely that the policy as it stands will generate a net cost," it stated.

    Senior Church of England figures have tabled amendments to the bill in the Lords, arguing that the most vulnerable in society will be hit by the changes.

    Mr Duncan Smith hit out at the bishops in an interview with yesterday's Sunday Times.

    "The question I'd ask these bishops is, over all these years, why have they sat back and watched people being placed in houses they cannot afford? It's not a kindness," he argued.

    "I would like to see their concerns about ordinary people, who are working hard, paying their tax and commuting long hours, who don't have as much money as they would otherwise because they're paying tax for all of this. Where is the bishops' concern for them?"

    The government is unlikely to be defeated later because Labour peers will back the reforms.

    "We support the principles and the responsibility to take a job if you can work," a party spokesman said.

    "But we will be seeking to amend the bill, to bring a compromise between the bishops and the government because we don't think council tax payers should be hit with a massive bill for homelessness."

     

    10 comments

    • Gargletrope  •  4 months ago
      A report from BBC showing a young single mother. Out of £26,000 in benefis. £16,000 goes in rent. Almost £500 per week.
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      The greedy landlords. Often part of the extended family of benefit recipients. Need to be hammered.
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      It's a scam. Paid for by the taxpayers. Us.
      • A Yahoo! User 4 months ago
        So true. In many cases up to 85% of the benefits are paid to private landlords charging over inflated rent. This does not make good headlines for the likes of the Daily Mail since many of its readers are probably the private landlords screwing the system the real benefit cheats.
      • Jason Webb 4 months ago
        It is simple for the taxman to #$%$ the going rate for the house/flat and does need to investigate. Everything they need is held on the governement databases and would be childs play to link and query!
      • Wʊbble the Huney Munster 3 months ago
        Most single people on benefits living in one bedroom flat at least 50% goes to landlords where I live. £90pw Housing Benefit to landlord, JSA £67.50 to unemployed and Council Tax Benefit at about £15.
        Depending how those on benefits spend the money 20-40% of JSA can be soaked up on taxes such as VAT and Excise if they are they stereotype heavy drinker, smoker and fast food takaway eaters.
    • SHIRLEY  •  4 months ago
      Paddy Ashdown is obviously out of touch with public opinion and the silly B's are living on a different planet. Where is their concern for the people who drag themselves out of bed every day to go work, pay their taxes, and are still left struggling to make ends meet. Child Benefit should be phased out and tax allowances increased for working people with children. People with families who have fallen on hard times should not be punished, but I had no idea people were receiving such huge amounts in benefit and then picking and choosing where they live. How can 26 grand a year (tax free) put you on the breadline. No worries, the good old British tax payer will take it on the chin as usual and carry on paying!
    • Sue  •  4 months ago
      No wonder people on benefits can't afford to go to work, look how much they'd be losing!
    • The Horse  •  London, England  •  4 months ago
      £26,000 a year benefits?? that's equal to about £35,000 before tax.
      Two thirds of the population earn less than that, the cap is far too high.
      • Jason Webb 4 months ago
        Over time it will come down, until that is, Labour gets back into power then they will increase to 100K and tax anyone earning more than 20K extra, except for themselfs and their cronies!
    • Malthouse  •  Reading, England  •  4 months ago
      This bill has been blocked by a bunch of unelected do gooders who were determined to protect their fellow freeloaders.
      • Jason Webb 4 months ago
        Wonder if any of the priests are willing to share their mansions???
    • tim  •  4 months ago
      Put a cap on rents that are charged by the conservatives in the letting businesss.
    • noseychuff  •  Ilford, England  •  4 months ago
      child benefit should not be paid for more than 2 children
    • Michael  •  3 months ago
      Cutting through the #$%$ being written on here, how would people feel about a universial council house building programme ?, to take people out of the means test system in the high rent private sector ?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  4 months ago
      Most people get nowhere near that figure in benefits. The Tories as usual take extreme cases and peddle this as fact to justify their vile cuts. They should be looking to pay people a living wage not trying to destroy the benefit system. You survive on benefits you do not thrive unless you're de-frauding the system and thats a matter for the courts. No-one genuinely claiming benefits is living the high life its a complete myth. Where are all the jobs Osborne said he would create, unemployment is rising daily and no sign of that stopping?
      The Tories live on another planet which does not accept reallity.
      • Jason Webb 4 months ago
        True, a lot of people dont get that much but the in certain areas they do! They are looking at saving £300 million so obviously it affects the minority who seem to be greedy and/or irresponsible.
      • franc o'file 4 months ago
        If few people get that much, then a cap will not affect many people, so what's your beef?
      • Gargletrope 4 months ago
        It is reported that 0f the 67,000 families affected by thie cap...57% live in the London area.
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        It is a Housing Benefits scam. Landords need to be hammered.
    • noseychuff  •  Ilford, England  •  4 months ago
      i dont know anyone on £26, 000 a year on benefits ???but then i dont live in london where costs and pay are so much higher