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    London riots: What could happen next?

    David Cameron has announced that an emergency parliamentary debate will be held on Thursday to discuss possible measures to quell the capital’s worst spell of widespread looting and disorder since Brixton in 1981.

    With pressure mounting on Home Secretary Theresa May by fellow MPs to impose more draconian measures to stop the violence - here are some of the anti-riot tactics that are being considered so far.
    August 9, 2011. British Prime Minister David Cameron said he would recall parliament from its summer recess for a day on Thursday after rioting swept through London for three consecutive nights. REUTERS/Stefan Wermuth (BRITAIN - Tags: CIVIL UNREST CRIME LAW POLITICS SOCIETY)August 9, 2011. British Prime Minister David Cameron said he would recall parliament from its summer recess for …
    More police

    With over 6,000 police out in force last night from across the country (an extra 1,700 police officers from Sunday night) a total of 16,000 police officers will be on duty in the next 24 hours, the Twitter account for the Metropolitan Police warned. Scotland Yard has confirmed that 44 officers have been injured in the waves of ‘copycat criminal activity’ have been been spreading across London. Monday night was classed as the worst night of violence with a reported 20,000 calls to police and 200 arrests last night.

    Met Police said in a statement that they used riot vans to push back London protesters on the third night of unrest in London and video footage from last night’s rioting in Clapham Junction, south London, shows armoured police vans being driven into crowds of perpetrators – an apparently successful approach.

    Following an emergency meeting chaired by the Prime Minister today, David Cameron said more police will mean further arrests and court procedures will be speeded up. He warned: “Justice will be done and these people will see the consequences of their actions.”

    The Metropolitan Police also confirmed today that all police leave has been cancelled and custody suites are full.

    Curfews

    Met commissioner Tim Godwin made a public statement today asking for a voluntary nighttime curfew and urged parents to do more to keep track of their children. Patrick Mercer, a Tory MP and former Army officer, amongst other MPs is calling for a temporary curfew on young people to curtail the riots.

    Diane Abbott, a shadow minister and the Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, also agreed with the imposition of curfews: “These young people, who seem to have no stake in society, are trashing their own communities. We cannot continue to have increasing numbers of looters on the streets night after night.”

    Online polls have seen a majority of the public believing imposing curfews would be a suitable response to the current situation.


    Army

    Bringing in the army as a measure of riot control has not been seen in England before. During the Los Angeles riots in 1992, 12,000 soldiers from the California Army National Guard were drafted in to quiet the unrest. Similarly the British army were present in Northern Ireland during the troubles.

    In a Home Office statement, Theresa May said: “We can deal with it with robust policing and with the help of local communities. If there's anybody watching the programme who knows someone who was out on the streets, they should tell the police.

    “Police are adapting tactics to deal with disturbances and I met with them this morning to ensure they have what they need.”

    Others would disagree. On Twitter, local London MP Grahame Morris tweeted: “Recall parliament: Cancel police leave; Bring in army logistical support for 999 services: Appeal to get kids off the streets: Stop the cuts.”

    Until emergency measures are properly discussed in a ministerial debate due to be held on Thursday, it is still unknown whether military presence will be called upon.

    Water cannons

    Water cannons like those used during the American civil rights movement, sectarian violence in Northern Ireland and 1930’s pre-Nazi Germany have also been rumoured as a possible tactic to prevent the disorder.

    Former London mayor Ken Livingstone reportedly believes that police should be allowed to use the weapon to disperse protesters. “The issue of water cannons would be very useful given the level of arson we are seeing here.”

    However, the Home Office insisted last night that there were no plans to approve the use of the extreme device on riot mobs, saying: “Water cannons are not approved for use on the mainland by the Home Office. A range of measures are available to the police to tackle disorder and we do not believe water cannons are needed.”

    A Scotland Yard spokesman also said officers did not have any water cannons. If their use was approved, they would have to be brought over from Northern Ireland or France where they are used.

    BlackBerry Messenger probe

    Research in Motion has pledged to cooperate with the police to probe the role BlackBerry Messenger had in spiraling the disorder and to find the people responsible for inciting the looting and violence. It was revealed yesterday that London rioters used Blackberry Messenger to spread the word about looting sprees across the capital and the violence later seen Birmingham, Liverpool, Nottingham and Bristol.

    BlackBerry UK said: “"We feel for those impacted by the riots in London. We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can.”

     

    703 comments

    • the granny  •  9 months ago
      OK so water cannons are not passed by goverment for use on the mainland of britain,didnt stop them in little Ireland. What about adjusting the force of the cannon so it is more a spray and put some of the dye used (as when security heists are made and the boxes tried to be opened) instead. That way the degenerates will be marked for a few week's and can be rounded up accordingly. Then make the b*****s repair all the damage they have done, with very little food and armed guards to make sure it is done with no shirking. This country is to soft.
      • McFrog 9 months ago
        What a sensible idea! Get it on Facebook, Twitter whatever but it is the most sensible thing I have read in days!
      • RICHARD 9 months ago
        i second that
      • stanley 9 months ago
        I agree let the police ruin their fashionable gear.Make also sure that those caught are dealth with full severity of the law.
    • Mr P i s s e d Off  •  9 months ago
      Bring in A Water Cannon!!!
      Bollocks,Bring in A 50mm Cannon
      • PAUL I 9 months ago
        Better still bring in Cannon and Ball

        Ey up Tommy!
      • Gunman 9 months ago
        Declare "martial law" , all looters to be shot on sight!
      • Green Standerd 9 months ago
        good one mate.
    • Vinnie  •  9 months ago
      Please sign this petition:

      Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits. - e-petitions

      http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337
      • AverageJoe 9 months ago
        good in principal but what will they then do to get money,cant see them working so it would lead to more crime worst luck,i still reckon pillory post and stocks,let anyone throw whatever they want at them
      • Mr P i s s e d Off 9 months ago
        just signed it Vinnie. Hope a lot more do as well.
      • stanley 9 months ago
        I support it 100%
    • JOHN  •  9 months ago
      front line in Afghanistan for the lot, and lets see who the wimps are
      • Aaron 9 months ago
        said it before today, but they shouldn't be allowed to grace the British Army's uniform, nor represent this country overseas. They should be locked up and made to pay back society by cleaning up the mess they made plus other manual labour tasks.
      • PHILIP 9 months ago
        IED clearing, just tell them to walk in front of convoys and if there are any they with get them instead of the troops.
      • A Yahoo! User 9 months ago
        Ah Philip , you beat me to it :)
    • Dave  •  9 months ago
      Water cannon would be no use at all to deal with the kind of disorder we have seen over the last three days. Water cannon are only of use to deal with static demonstrations. These rioters are very mobile, dispersing in seconds only to reappear elsewhere and water cannon are not quick and agile enough to counter this type of rioting. Better to use plasic/rubber bullets, but I can see the outcry when some 15 year old thug is killed by the legimate use of these kinds of weapons.
      It may be unpalatable to some people but rioters and arsonists are a threat to the lives of everyone, irrespective of their age, background, colour or religion. If robust policing means they are injured or killed themselves, I for one would not have any sympathy
      • Rummy Grewal 9 months ago
        but the sad part is these rioters will just exploit someone getting shot by a rubber bullet to loot more stores...it just make us feel so helpless
      • danny 9 months ago
        Is not so, that in some parts of the world looters are shot on sight, sounds like a good idea.
      • Scottie 9 months ago
        Forget Rubber Bullets - get the army in and use real ones. if anyone is out doign these acts of violence against the communities they live int hen they deserve anything they get thrown at them, instead the government is once again too scared to stand up and be counted out of a fear of being called politically incorrect. If this happened in third world countries they would simply shoot them. If they want to act like they are in a third world country rather than living in Britain then that is exactly what they should expect!
    • Anon!  •  9 months ago
      What has the Government allowed to happen to our country. Its been handed over to people who must have come to England either as assylum seekers or economic migrants-or illegal immigrants. Yet the reward for hospitality seems to robbery,violemce and scenes that were reminiscent of the second world war.
      I couldn't believe there are so many people from overseas having the right to settle in England. When I retired and went to live abroad Tony Blair was talking about importing Engieers,Scientists and teachers.But what I saw on those streets were the worst kind of people we could have The Government imported them and now they are talking about more stringent measures than those that are said to have caused the riots..Is this some mad political game that I don't quite understand?
      If you wonder where the English have gone look around the Mediteranean,Turkey,Australia New Zealand etc. and most have given up on Britain and its stupid class and status riddled country.
    • Rick C  •  9 months ago
      never mind about water cannons what about depleted uranium tipped live ammo i suspect if the rioters realise the police are armed and can kill they'll run like heck from it ifnot one less scummy peron on the loose
    • mostadome  •  9 months ago
      I think a human CULL is needed. A school teacher I know works with 15 year olds a supply teacher going to many schools, he said also a human CULL is needed in these schools.
    • DAVID  •  9 months ago
      dear china please come and take over
    • abm  •  9 months ago
      five hundred years of slavery, five hundred years of persecutions five hundred years of racisms and bigotry and we are christians not muslems
      brevik a white murderer and a evil whiteman
      wakeup
    • A Yahoo! User  •  9 months ago
      Burn the B**** to the ground and let it cool off in the filthy river thames.
    • BUBBA  •  9 months ago
      CAMERON is a whimp. He can't stop a riot in London , but thinks he can win wars in Libya and Afganastan. What a sad and pathedic PM England has.
    • Joey  •  9 months ago
      They need to bring flowers to calm these protestors down.. water cannon would violate their rights to loot and bring mayhem!
    • shaun  •  9 months ago
      Why not say "if you are caught either on the night or identified from video/photo evidence at a later date, you will have any benefit you are receiving stopped and redirected to fund the clean up and repair of the damage these riots have caused and then to compensate the hard working people who have lost because of you. If you are under the age of 18, then your parents will have their benefits stopped" This would quite probably contravine many human rights, but quite honestly I dont think the hard working people of this country would care.....
    • alan  •  9 months ago
      The UK and its people must win this street WAR or it will happen again and again? nice for 2012 with billons looking at london on tv, IT IS NOW OR NEVER!
    • virgin  •  9 months ago
      ive watched the news and heard that the police will exhaust everything conservative ways to deal with the situation...OMG! those animals need to be punished severely like in some countries i know...people who commit crimes are either given the lethal injection, hanged , electricuted to death or in cases of thieves hands been cut off! i bet my last quid, young offenders involved in these riots will only be given just hours of community service and a holiday somewhere nice & warm...and when they return, do you think they will change for the better??? i think those who made the law are idiots!!! only here in the UK criminals are treated like "royalty"!!! it's hightime to bin the human rights of those criminal animals and give more favors to the real victims of crimes!!!..
    • devilsadvocate360degrees  •  9 months ago
      Quite frankly I am apalled at the first page of comments. People have a right to be angry at the stupidity being displayed by most of these teens & twenty-something rioters, but to respond "with bring out the guns & shoot looters" is just right-wing fascist draconianism. We aren't some Middle Eastern Dictatorship!! Get a blinking grip you people!! Furthermore calls for the Army??!! Are you people MAD?? The army isn't a body that should be used against its own people. That's what police are for!! You might as well ask for a military dictatorship like they had in Egypt.
      (and then the corporate media just happen to release the news that the guy was shot without shooting first... are they trying to enflame things even more?)
      Cameroon calls his so-called 'emergency meeting' after a week of riots &... so that they can 'debate' what to do about it?? Are you kidding me??.(what's the betting they have a strategy all worked out & pre-planned for this?) What's the betting it brings in draconian new policing Laws just in time for the Olympics?? Oh and the 'cuts' to policing are shelved... of course.
      Wake up people Problem Reaction Solution. It's called the Hegelian Dialect. You're all being played like fiddles.
      And who is Cameron anyway? Some Eton boy whose Tory Party got 24% of the eligible votes. Not even one quarter of the voters actually voted Tory. Wake up people your democracy has been hijacked by a CORPORATOCRACY. The so-called 'main parties' politicians answer to big business... not their voters.
      Over 30% of the voters in the UK voted for NONE of them... by not voting at all. That's MORE than voted Tory.
      Fact is, without representative democracy, there will always be unrest & the less representative, the more unrest. And the more unrest the more fascist tactics will be used by a smaller & smaller minority of 'elites' to quell it.
      You're all being played like idiots by the powers that be (i.e. politicians & corporate owned media alike!)
      They're 'spinning' a story so you accept the Laws they just happened to have all prepared and ready to roll out (& by the way it usually takes six months to a year to draw up a Law)>.. Just watch how it unfolds now & stop calling for more fascist police state @#$% you fools! Britain didn't fight & win a war against Fascism only to have it brought in by stealth by a right-wing 24% minority government 65 years later.
      Treat criminals who smash property like you would any criminal who destroys property. They have enough police on the streets to deal with the situation.. so deal with it! Just put dye in a high-power water pistols to spray them with it & then round them up over the next few weeks & charge those who can be identified as having caused damage to property. There are plenty of Laws in place to deal with this sort of thing already.
      Anybody remember the student riots with that guy in the balaclava putting a chair through the Tory party window while the police stood by watching & Press all gathered around for the next days front page pics?? Hmmm
    • Deanooooo  •  9 months ago
      I keep seeing comments about Northern Ireland and why the same tactics can't be used here. My theory is it is laregley related to the 'ticking racial aspect timebomb'. If the Police use water cannons and rubber bullets against these crowds. The main areas of trouble are in large scale black communiities and I think this useless government are too afraid to get shown the race card as more people are eniviatbly injured. Where are Mark Duggan's family pleading with these idiots to STOP? Probably on a major drug deal...... They speak of making someone accountable for all this - how about Mr Duggan
    • Dawn  •  9 months ago
      im amazed that these riots were organized by blackberry convo's. i got a blackberry but would never organize a riot whats the point? david cameron the government and police have alot to answer to. if these situations arise hen bring out water canons! because we need to work out how to correct these problems and work through them to give our young generation a chance at having a decent life rather than acting like a bunch of mindless thugs. if you want to make a point then DONT loot or torch buildings or business's! need to find out how to voice our opinions without violence
    • STEPHEN  •  9 months ago
      WET WET WET please dont upset the scum bags, they are voters for tomorrow, weak spinless both sides of goverment, thank F.......k I am out of it, cast your vote at the next elections and get what you desreve a bunch of weak willed usless MPs.
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