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    (Repeats story published July 27 for wider distribution)

    LAS VEGAS, July 27 (Reuters) - The head of the U.S.

    government's secretive National Security Agency took the

    unprecedented step on Friday of asking a convention of unruly

    hackers to join him in an effort to make the Internet more

    secure.

    In a speech to the 20th annual Def Con gathering in Las

    Vegas, four-star General Keith Alexander stressed common ground

    between U.S. officials and hackers, telling them privacy must be

    preserved and that they could help by developing new tools.

    "You're going to have to come in and help us," Alexander

    told thousands of attendees.

    Alexander rarely gives speeches of any kind, let alone to a

    crowd of hackers, professional defenders, and researchers whose

    discoveries of software and hardware vulnerabilities are used by

    both sides.

    Conference founder Jeff Moss, known in hacking circles as

    The Dark Tangent, told the conference that he had invited

    Alexander partly because he wanted them to learn about one of

    the world's "spookiest, least known" organizations.

    Attendees were respectful and gave modest applause, though

    several said they were concerned about secret government

    snooping and the failure of authorities thus far to stop

    foreign-backed attacks.

    "Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend

    them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as

    a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the

    common good."

    Alexander won points by wearing the hacker "uniform" of

    jeans and a tee shirt, wandering the halls and praising specific

    hacking efforts, including intrusion detection tools and

    advances in cryptology.

    He also confronted civil liberties concerns that are a major

    issue for many researchers devoted to the Internet.

    The NSA sponsored a booth at the convention for the first

    time, which organizers placed next to one from the Electronic

    Freedom Foundation (EFF). The EFF has sued the government,

    claiming that it illegally tapped conversations of Americans.

    Alexander spoke with staff at the EFF booth, telling them he

    believes the U.S. government can secure the nation and also

    protect civil liberties. They did not discuss the pending

    litigation.

    Panels at the conference include a discussion of government

    tracking of individuals through cell phone data.

    Taking questions screened by Moss, Alexander adamantly

    denied that the NSA has dossiers on millions of Americans, as

    some former employees have suggested.

    "The people who would say we are doing that should know

    better," he said. "That is absolute nonsense."

    Alexander used the speech to lobby for a cyber security bill

    moving through the Senate that would make it easier for

    companies under attack to share information with the government

    and each other as well as give critical infrastructure owners

    some reward for adhering to future security standards.

    "Both parties see this as a significant problem," he said,

    adding that the experts like those at Def Con should help in the

    process. "What are the standards that we should jointly set that

    critical networks should have?"

    In addition to conducting electronic intelligence gathering,

    primarily overseas, the Defense Department-controlled NSA is

    charged with protecting the U.S. military from cyber attacks.

    Increasingly, it has been sharing its findings with the

    Federal Bureau of Investigation to aid in criminal cases and

    with the Department of Homeland Security, which warns specific

    industries of new threats.

    Displaying a slide with the logos of several dozen of

    companies breached by criminals or spies in the past two years,

    Alexander said that only the most competent even knew they had

    been hacked.

    "There are 10 times, almost 100 times more companies that

    don't know they've been hacked," he said.

    As he walked the convention floor, he repeatedly asked

    hackers, including children attending a "Def Con Kids"

    conference, to consider joining the NSA once they have honed

    their skills.

    "Keep working on this. We need you in the future," he said.

    Many of the more than 10,000 hackers who crowded into the

    Rio casino conference center did not seem particularly

    interested in the presence of the head of the biggest U.S. spy

    agency, who was flanked by an entourage of plain-clothes guards

    and Def Con's own red-shirted security force who call themselves

    "goons".

    "Nice to meet you," he said to several dozen hackers in line

    to buy lock picking equipment at one crowded booth. "How can I

    help you?"

    The crowd did not respond, and the booth's organizers

    politely chatted with Alexander.

    When he approached a hacker preparing for a "capture the

    flag" computer-takeover contest, the hacker waved casually, then

    returned to his laptop. A teammate later explained: "We were

    just too busy to chat."

    (Reporting by Joseph Menn and Jim Finkle)