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    Fresh Talks On Scotland Referendum Plan

    Talks aimed at thrashing out the arrangements for a referendum on Scottish independence will be held later.

    The Scottish Secretary Michael Moore and Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond will meet in Edinburgh.

    It is the first of a series of discussions designed to resolve disagreements on how the ballot should proceed .

    Prime Minister David Cameron is also due to hold a meeting with Mr Salmond over the coming days.

    There are a number of key outstanding differences between the Holyrood and Westminster Governments on the referendum, primarily with regard to the number of questions on the ballot paper.

    Mr Cameron insists there must be only one question - independence, yes or no? - but Alex Salmond's SNP has not ruled out a second question on so-called Devo Max, a beefed-up version of devolution whereby tax powers would be transferred to Holyrood.

    The Westminster coalition is also opposed to the SNP's proposal to give the referendum vote to 15 and 16-year-olds.

    It has warned that Holyrood does not have the power to hold a referendum without the permission of the Westminster Government and that, without its consent , any ballot could be blocked by the courts.

    This is disputed by the SNP, which insists it has the power to hold a consultative referendum.

    It proposes to hold a ballot in the autumn of 2014 and last month, Alex Salmond announced the question he proposed to ask the Scottish people: "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country."

    Both Westminster and Holyrood administrations are conducting their own separate consultations into the referendum process.

    Ahead of the Salmond-Moore meeting, Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont told Sky News: "This cannot be just another photo opportunity or box-ticking exercise for the First Minister - we need meaningful discussions on a fair, transparent and decisive referendum.

    "There is a real chance to end the games and bring some certainty to this process so that all of Scotland can have confidence in our referendum and move on to the debate over the issues."

     
    • Deltaboy  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      If Scotland truely whants to be free of Westminster, then they must stand alone, the English tax payers should not have to subsidise a free Scotland.
      So on this Cameron is right there is only one question it is a straight yes or no vote.
      we cannot have Scotish MPs voting in England on English matters nor should the Scots expect England to support them financialy.
      The argument about the oil being in Scotland well yes it is but it is declining, and the so called 12 mile is territorial waters, but the Great Britain that is the westminster goverment have rights into the North sea and the Atlantic of 200 miles, so it can be debated that the oil fields of scotland will be in Scotish waters.
      But we must remember that there are large deposits of gas of the English coast, also there are trillions of cubic meters of shale gas under the UK, that is if ever it is alowed to ectract the gas.
      The saddest thing for Scotland will be the loss of taxes it will loose from the Scotts who live south of the board who live and work in England.
      It would mean that Scotland would have to have its own NHS, Customs and revenue services, Emergency service its own armed forces and police forces indipendant of England
      Not have independance funded by England
      • Gary 3 months ago
        It will still be no. Most Scots know which side their bread is buttered.
      • Fragrant Harbour 3 months ago
        Completely agree and they would have to qualify for Europe and ay there own pensions!
      • G 3 months ago
        Deltaboy----there is a web site named News Scotland search it and see how much you subcidise Scotland,it may open your eyes and all middle English
    • H. Potter  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Let them go it alone. I'm fed up with their anti English rhetoric and their racist attitude (not generalising at all here!) It's time we let them stand on their own feet and live as Scots not British. I'd feel the same in their shoes.
      • “Davy” 3 months ago
        No we are fed up with the anti Scottish abuse
      • “Davy” 3 months ago
        Also without Scotland it won,t be Britain
      • patricia 3 months ago
        If England are so keen to keep the union, then how come when I go to england they will not accept scottish bank notes, SO now tell me you are part of UK, Britain, if you were truley part of a UNITED KINGDOM then you would without question accept scottish money, but it appears that it is not legal tender south of the border, or just not good enough for you . you want to keep the union then you need to accept ALL of scotland not just the good bits.
    • KEITH  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Please, please let Scotland have it's Independance and Wales for that matter, so that Westminster never has a Socialist majority ever again.
    • Taff  •  Carmarthen, Wales  •  3 months ago
      I notice that most of the comments come from Englsh people.
      Why are you so interested ? Leave it to the scots.
      • D'Artagnan 3 months ago
        you are asking for the impossible !! this is a reflection of the English character
      • Fragrant Harbour 3 months ago
        It affects the whole of the Uk not just the scots so everyone is entitled to an opinion not just you!
      • D'Artagnan 3 months ago
        Barbara: thats a fact... the 2 things we have a common.. an a***hole and an opinion ! Unfortunately.. you have more a*** h**** than we do... Wastemister is full of them
    • RALPH  •  3 months ago
      If they gain independence, does that mean we can finally get rid of any Scottish MP out of our parliament.
      • WILLIAM 3 months ago
        yes that would be the law , pity though we dont want the corrupt sods here either
      • Mish M 3 months ago
        I RECKON RALPH, THAT IS WHAT THOSE MPs ARE ABSOLUTELY BRICKING THEMSELVES ABOUT. That was once brought up on Question Time, but funnily enough not answered!
      • monkey grumble 3 months ago
        and out of our jobs and houses..will they have their own passports too need a visa to come here?
    • Braun  •  3 months ago
      My job used to involve travelling all over Europe and the one country I hated having to visit was England. I found the people their miserable mean and smug. They are a vey bitter racist divided nation even more so these days. I say Scotland vote to leave these people and mine your border with them.
      • M 3 months ago
        Celtic Rangers anyone, bitter bigoted little people the Jocks, answer is don't come to our country, we don't need anymore Jocks.
      • kez 3 months ago
        Bitter inglish c_nts that's all they are. Whinging bleeting vermin.
      • arteus1946 3 months ago
        Kez- are you always so happy?
        Inglish?-learn to spell ,dopey.
    • Bill  •  Telford, England  •  3 months ago
      DO YOU NOT THINK THAT IN THE 21ST CENTURY ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENED 100'S OF YEARS AGO WOULD BE FORGOTTEN ? This sort of attitude (wanting independance) shows how hatred and propaganda can destroy nations. For gods sake....we were GREAT Britain, we fought together through 2 world wars to free the country and the world from madmen and now we are fighting each other....madness. Fancy having to have a passport to go to Scotland from newcastle...it's ludicrous.
    • Big Manfred  •  3 months ago
      Why don't alot people seem to understand its the SNP that want independence, and the people of Scotland haven't voted on anything yet. I'll vote to say in the union and I'm scottish.
    • Deborah  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      Considering it is 2012 some of the attitudes on here are archaic,.... When my family came down from Scotland in the 1960s this was the type of attitude they had then...my mum was given the strap for not speaking what they considered english. it's 40 years on. It would be nice for once to able to have a reasonable debate, without resorting to name calling...Some of the Scottish don't like the English, Some of the English don't like the Scottish and I get that, hundreds of years of dislike there and with obvious reason, however....it would be nice to see grown men and women put aside their open contempt for one another and seriouly consider the ramification, not only to Scotland, but to England as well, if Scotland breaks away from the Union wh\t would the long term ramifications be?....You would have to take everything into consideration when you make an extremly important decision, including finances which is what keeps a country ticking over...As much as it pains me to admit, England pumps a substantial amount of money into Scotland. As much as some of you openly despise the english and once again, I'm well aware there is cause....How much of you wanting Scotland to break from England is you thumbing your nose at the English and saying "hey, you b*****ds screw you"; personally when making a decision like this I would try and put my peronal feelings aside and look at the cold hard facts and what the ramifications of my decision would likely have.....I'm of Scottish, descent, first generation to be born in England, I consider myself British when asked...I am neither Sottish nor am I English, I'm both, I wouldn't like to see the Union break.....I think to do so would cause long term problems to both countries...if it comes to it, I would like to believe that people when making a decision like this, they would look at the cold hard facts, and not allow their open dislike of England to influence their decision...
    • paul j  •  Brighton, England  •  3 months ago
      bill of telford, you clearly read the sun, why would you want a passport to go from newcastle to scotland, it is an eu country and both would remain so, my nation wants independence because since 1707 which i might say the scottish people had no say on this union, has been one sided, we want to run our own affairs, and we dont want the english sticking there noses in to this referendum debate, we have had parties up in our parliament who are just westminster puppets, and as westminster inflicted a ams voting system on us to avoid us having a majority party, it was quite a shock to the english when we voted in the SNP in to power in may 2011 with more votes than all the other parties put together, quite a mandate from the scottish people, far more of a mandate than cameron has in westminster. we will have queen elizebeth queen of scots, we have are own laws, why do we need to have our country run from westminster when majority of the time they have no mandate to carry out anything in scotland, especially the tories and in particular thatcher of the 80s, squandering our oil revenue to finance mass unemployment,we will still trade with england we will still have friends over the border, we just dont want english interference, and allow our government to re industrialise our nation, economists have already stated we would be the 6th richest nation in the world, while england would slip to 11th, which i am afraid is going to happen anyway with england favouring a service sector economy built on supermarkets.You dont own us, we as a nation will decide.Dont believe all this clap trap from the english based tory media, which is quite laughable really, because for years we were always suppose to be a burden to england , funny how they have changed there tune all of a sudden.
    • Big Manfred  •  3 months ago
      Why is there such a divide in Britain, I was born in Scotland live in Scotland and proud to call myself British.
    • aimee  •  Al Urmån, Egypt  •  3 months ago
      Salmond's trick to include 15 and 16 year olds to vote for referendum. We all know so well that these teens can easily be brainwashed to have rebelious minds. They are not mature enough to think about their country's future. Do you really think Salmond's greediness can hold all these together? He is a war freak who is instilling Scottish youth's minds to hate the English. If he gets this scottish independence wrong, may God give wrath to this selfish salmon. He will not be forgiven by the Scotts and it's generation to come.
    • D'Artagnan  •  3 months ago
      When the English decide to do the same to Scotland as they have done recently in the Falklands the Scots will settle for nothing less than the new Queen Elizabeth (when completed) and the Admiral of the Fleet to sit in Scottish waters gazing with envy at our oil fields
    • Bill  •  Telford, England  •  3 months ago
      The ‘Scotch’ – as they loathe to be called – have for far too many centuries been hitching a ride on the wealth and productivity of the superior nation down south that in 1707 (or 1603, depending on how you look at it) so kindly annexed and finally civilised what was, to all intents and purposes, an unruly rabble of drunken, hairy hooligans.

      Not content with being massively over-represented in the Houses of Parliament, nor with having eternal control of the UK’s purse-strings through the absurdly long-serving Chancellor, Gordon Brown, the Jocks have in recent years successfully demanded the right to royally screw up their own affairs with the creation of a Scottish Parliament. (Farcically, this screwing-up process began almost immediately with the financial disaster of the Parliament building itself).

      Naturally, the English are only too pleased to allow their northern cousins the chance to strike out alone. (Here one recalls the famous parting remark of Edward ‘Longshanks’ on returning over the border from Scotland in 1296 " It does a man good to be shot of a turd.")

      Nonetheless, there is no doubt that the Scottish Parliament was washed up in 1999 by a rising tide of nationalistic fervour. But what does it mean to be a ‘patriotic Scot’?

      Virtually all the trappings of Scottish culture, bar perhaps the haggis and the sporran, are phony. The legend of the clans and their tartans were largely invented by romantic writers like Sir Walter Scot, while the bagpipes came from Ancient Rome via Turkey.

      No, the only thing that unites the Scots is their shared hatred of the Sassenachs ‘doon Sooth’. Scottish nationalism is defined by, indeed cannot exist without, anti-Englishness.
    • Linz  •  3 months ago
      Typical of Cameron and the whole Westminster cabal. They go to all this trouble to accommodate a referendum in Scotland, that could ultimately lead to the break up of the UK, but continually deny the nation of a referendum on the EU, which is destroying us. We know what you're up to, David, and what you are a part of...
    • D'Artagnan  •  3 months ago
      All these derogatory comments coming from a nation who let a man named QATADA free to walk the streets of this island and you tell me the Scots could not run their own country ?
    • kez  •  3 months ago
      The inglish NHS is being cut to ribbons which will affect 90% of their population and many of these people still think Cameron and his boot boys are the greatest thing since the fire of London, This shows the intelligence of the Nigels..
    • D'Artagnan  •  3 months ago
      The Scots character is forged in GRANITE... That is no Time Reed... shaken by the wind !!
    • sailor  •  Aberdeen, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      WELL I'M SCOTTISH AND WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT for the simple reason that no matter who you put in power they will never listen to the people once you elect a party member your opinion does not count only what they think they never come back to us now and say would you say yes or no to this or that mind you it's the same with all the parties so nope not going to vote
    • “Davy”  •  3 months ago
      I have just read something that argues against the anti Scotland,s insults who slate our diets. The worlds heaviest man is Keith Martin with a SIX FOOT waist and where is he from ? North west London