Rudy Giuliani, former New York mayor and current counsel to Donald Trump, joined Cuomo Prime Time on Wednesday, but not to nonsensically defend the president against accusations of Russian collusion or obstruction of justice, as has been the trend lately. Instead, Giuliani was defending himself against a claim in Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear: Trump in the White House, that Trump chastised Giuliani for his weak defense of the then candidate after the release of the Access Hollywood tape in which Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women.
According to the book, Trump told Giuliani, “Rudy, you’re a baby. I’ve never seen a worse defense of me in my life. They took your diaper off right there. You’re like a little baby that needed to be changed. When are you going to be a man?”
Giuliani had a very different recollection of the encounter. In fact, it was quite glowing … for him. Giuliani said the campaign plane was held just for him, and that the staff applauded when he boarded and Trump welcomed him with high praise and open arms.
“The president stood up, said, ‘Mayor, you weren’t tough enough.’ And then he laughed and he said, ‘You did a great job. Thank you. Nobody could have done what you did,’” Giuliani told Cuomo.
And things only got better from there. “He called me over,” Giuliani said of Trump. “He put his arm around me. He put me close and he whispered in my ear about how much courage I have. I won’t tell you exactly what he said,” Giuliani said. “That’s exactly what happened, 100 percent.”
Woodward claims to have tapes of the sources he used for his book. Well, Giuliani said he has sources of his own — eight, in fact. Unfortunately, two of those sources might not be the best for providing credible information on the matter.
Giuliani told Cuomo he would reveal his sources “off the record and maybe on the record at some point.” He offered to give a couple, but Cuomo saw through that, saying, “Well, the president’s not going to talk to me, and your security guy’s compromised as a source.” Giuliani’s face indicated that those were most likely the ones he was going to name.
Giuliani had a few choice words for that individual, which oddly enough are some of the very words used countless times to describe the president himself: “This guy is obviously an unhinged guy,” he said. “A guy without many morals, without any principle.”
Cuomo Prime Time airs weeknights at 9 on CNN.
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