Matthew E White interview: We’re outsiders who have done it our way
Matthew E White is explaining the power of musical arrangement. “You can sing, ‘I love you’ and strum a major chord and it means one thing, but if you sing, ‘I love you’ and strum a minor chord, it means something different. That’s the beauty of it.”
It’s what he does best with his production house, Spacebomb, which will be showing off its achievements to date in a one-off concert this evening at the Barbican. A “Revue” event will be put on featuring strings, choir, the Spacebomb house band and the vocals of artists who have graced their studio, including Natalie Prass, Mike Scott of The Waterboys, Bedouine, Charlie Fink from Noah and the Whale, and White himself. It’s an embarrassment of riches.
Spacebomb operates out of Richmond, Virginia, a huge distance from traditional bases of popular American music such as New York, LA and Nashville. Yet it’s responsible for several of the greatest albums of recent years, especially Prass’s self-titled debut from 2015, a string-drenched beauty that recalls Dionne Warwick, Scott Walker and Dusty Springfield’s classic Memphis recordings, and White’s Big Inner from 2012 — lush country soul that he expected to be heard by “about a hundred people” and ended up taking him on tour to Sydney Opera House and the Hollywood Bowl.
“We’re outsiders who have done it our way, and I don’t mean that in a prideful way. It just happens to be the case that we’ve made a statement artistically from outside the music industry and stuck to it, and it’s continued to resonate,” says White.
There’s a warmth for what we do that is different in the UK, and London in particular
He’s a tall, affable fellow of 35, more hair than man, and a proper muso. Between his clip-on sunglasses and lustrous beard it’s a bit like watching a disembodied mouth quoting Thelonious Monk, analysing the guitar solos of Keith Richards and revealing that at the age of 11 he was drumming in a band that did Nirvana and Pearl Jam covers.
Raised two hours away in Virginia Beach, he’s based in Richmond because he and many of Spacebomb’s key musicians hail from the jazz studies course at the city’s Virginia Commonwealth University. He studied jazz guitar and jazz arranging, though his heart was with the sounds of his childhood: Motown, The Beach Boys, Sly & the Family Stone, Creedence Clearwater Revival.
“Jazz is not where I can express the deepest parts of who I am but it informs what we do,” he says. “The idea of having a singer, a rhythm section, supportive arrangements, and it being groovy: that’s jazz music.”
That education also means he and his guys can really play. That’s what he thinks is missing from a lot of live performance today. “There’s so much about making music now, especially from a live point of view, where there’s no risk. A lot of the live music experience is so set in stone — the setlist, the visuals and so on — that it limits the musical experience. Our people have the green light to really play. There is a conversation going on stage musically. That’s what you rarely see.”
The other thing that his collective has revived is the idea of the house band — an in-studio group that can play the songs of any visiting artist in the mould of Booker T & the MG’s at Stax, The Funk Brothers at Motown, The Swampers at Muscle Shoals and The Skatalites at Studio One.
It’s not the done thing in the age of bedroom laptop producers, but listen to the theatrical extravagance of Foxygen’s album Hang, or the blissful covers of Gentlewoman, Ruby Man, White’s album of duets with Flo Morrissey, both from the start of this year. It’s worth the extra effort.
“Spacebomb thrives on doing things that seem difficult, that seem like they shouldn’t happen any more. That’s why I like it,” he says. “With music technology today the more we are able to measure, the less we value the intangible magic of certain situations. It’s the difference between getting 16 string players in a room and having one player who you overdub 16 times. It’s not the same thing.”
With the focus on the studio operation, White has never put on a Spacebomb Revue show before but it doesn’t sound like it has been too taxing. Backstage after he and Flo Morrissey played at the Union Chapel in February he mentioned the idea in passing to a Barbican booker, who got out the calendar on his phone and cleared October 6 there and then. “It took five minutes!” Naturally the concept appealed to those who have passed through Spacebomb’s doors over the past few years.
“We make these records but we don’t usually get to play them out. People have their own bands on tour, so some of these songs we’ve never played. But we’ve worked with these people so closely, so it’s going to be really fun to reconnect with them after all these warm experiences.”
He says it was an obvious choice to try it in London first. It’s here where White’s two solo albums and the rest of the Spacebomb catalogue have been received best. “None of this would have happened if listeners and writers here hadn’t been so supportive of my records and Natalie’s record,” says White. “It was the beginning of a snowball that has given us cachet and enabled me to have a career as a musician, to be sitting here talking to you instead of teaching a 10-year-old how to play guitar. There’s an understanding and a warmth for what we do that is different in the UK and in London in particular.”
I think Kendrick Lamar is making the most exciting music in the world now. He’s Bob Dylan and Sgt Pepper in one thing. Nobody is anywhere close
Though he’s the one doing the interviews, Spacebomb is far from a one-man band. It has nine “owners”, including percussionist Pinson Chanselle and arranger Trey Pollard, and there are 63 people named as the Spacebomb “family” on the website. White wants that family to grow even bigger. I say I’d like to hear a superstar such as Adele backed by their exquisite sound. “We could handle that and make something really special. That wouldn’t be intimidating to me in the least,” he insists.
At the same time, he’s anxious that his organisation doesn’t become known for just one style. “Spacebomb has this reputation as a nostalgic, vintage-y soul music thing, which I really push against. You do something and it echoes out so you get asked to do it again. For me Spacebomb is about a process, a way of thinking about music that is flexible across basically any genre. There are parts of the music world that I haven’t quite gotten to in the production world.
“I think Kendrick Lamar is making the most exciting music in the world now. He’s Bob Dylan and Sgt Pepper in one thing. Nobody is anywhere close.”
A Spacebomb hip hop album for 2018, with Adele on backing vocals? I’d love to hear that. Don’t put it past a collective that’s doing things their way, and doing them very well.
Spacebomb Revue is at the Barbican, EC2 (020 7638 8891, barbican.org.uk) tonight