As the world continues to reel from the death of Queen Elizabeth II, Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan reflect on her life and legacy in this week's episode of the Planet Normal podcast, which you can listen to using the audio player above.
"It had a really holy feeling, of a sort of pilgrimage."
She also reflected on the "seismic shock" of losing "a still point in a rapidly changing world."
"Within a few days, we lost a prime minister. Gained a prime minister. We lost a wonderful queen. Gained a king."
"It did feel visceral... this sudden deafening absence of an amazing figurehead who had always been there," she said.
"We casually use that phrase 'the end of an era', but this really was a monumental turning of a page in British history."
Liam revealed he was in Ireland following the Queen's death and in a pub in Dublin he witnessed, "real warmth and reverence towards her."
He also opened up about meeting the Queen when he was in school.
"I was invited to have tea with her," Liam said.
"When she heard my very Irish name and looked at my Celtic physiognomy - and this is the late 1980s, a time of real strife - rather than there being any awkwardness, she went out of her way to spend a lot of time talking to me."