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    Reagan statue shows Britain is America’s fiefdom

    "You may be sure that the people of London will take his statue to their hearts," William Hague told his audience this morning, as a statue of US president Ronald Reagan was unveiled. He couldn't have been further from the truth. The decision to allow Ronald Reagan a statue in central London is as humiliating as it is misguided, for four reasons.

    One: Brits don't care about him.

    Reagan has no resonance with the greater British public. He's a darling of the UK's politically-active rightwingers in roughly the same way that Margaret Thatcher is to their American counter-parts. To the public at large, however, he holds little value. Installing a statue of him here in London, even if it is Grosvenor Square, feels like a mark of disrespect, because it assumes that we would hold up a US president in the same esteem as American citizens do. Unless someone can point me to a statue of John Major in a major American city then I think we'll have to conclude that this has been an enormous misjudgement.

    Two: Reagan is politically divisive.

    No-one votes on statues, so it's inappropriate to block up people's living space with potentially objectionable political symbols. Such figures should only be given statues in a suitable context, such as the (terrible) statue of Thatcher in parliament. Reagan fails the test set by other US presidents immortalised with London statues. Lincoln worked with the UK to end slavery forever. Roosevelt was our partner in the Second World War. For his part, Reagan's actions towards the end of the Cold War fall far short of the standards set by his compatriots and are anyway outweighed by his economic agenda. Reaganomics, the US version of Thatcherism, is a particularly unsuitable memory to regurgitate now that we are entering a period of deep antagonism over the deficit.

    Three: It cements the idea that Grosvenor Square is US territory.

    The use of a uniquely American figure with little following in Britain on Grosvenor Square confirms that this patch of London now belongs to a foreign power. The sterile zones of metal sheeting, the forced queues outside from visa applicants who are not considered respectable enough to wait inside, the overbearing cultural impingement on London: it has become an eyesore and a humiliation. Walking to the area now is like stumbling into Kosovo. Even parliament's security is less visible. The idea that parliamentarians complained about Brian Haw obstructing public use of Parliament Square while the Americans turn Grosvenor Square into a fortress tells you everything you need to know about British politics.

    Four: Reagan was not a good president.

    Don't listen to the staggering piety and hypocrisy that surrounds Reagan since his death. Listen instead to the human rights analysts of Latin America. They will tell you what Reagan achieved. Under his watch, far-right death squads were trained and funded across central America. In Guatemala, the UN-sponsored Commission for Historical Clarification found that American training was a "key factor" in the genocide there, a genocide which saw thousands of indigenous people massacred, thousands of women raped and mutilated and Rios Montt, arguable the worst and most sadistic of all Latin America's dictators, installed as president. In Nicaragua, Reagan was either so incompetent as to have no idea that his staff were diverting funds into the far-right Contra army or (more likely) an out-and-out liar. The Contras, a brutal and merciless army, were trained and funded by the US to take out the democratically-elected Sandanista government, a tactic followed throughout the region. It's one of those things that's worth bearing in mind when commentators wax lyrical about Reagan's commitment to democracy.

    Divisive, humiliating and a symbol of our selective judgements on human rights: maybe the Reagan statue is being put up as a glib art comment on modern British society.

     

    787 comments

    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      oh dear oh dear....britain declared slavery illegal BEFORE the civil war ....and a statue of lincoln stands in manchester commemorating the PERSONAL THANKS lincoln gave to the cotton workers of manchester for their support
      • JOHN JAMES 10 months ago
        bofore the civil war. that was before 1642? or could you mean the American civil war?. If so please be ckear. And by the way slavery was never abolished in England, - it was never legal in the first place. It was abolidhed in the colonies.
      • Aardvark 10 months ago
        Reaganomics: the lie that the "Trickle Down Effect" works!

        It's been proved totally false and there are some obvious reasons why, one is that if you make a few people Very Rich, there is a limit to how much they can and will spend.

        The "Trickle Up Effect" has been observed instead; most people are feeling poorer, yet the richest people in the country have Increased their wealth by roughly 30% in the last year.

        Thanks for that, Reagan!

        If you want a healthy econonmy, ordinary people have to have money to spend, as the vast majority of businesses are selling to ordinary people, not the super rich.
      • C 10 months ago
        John James, if you insist on being so pedantic please ensure you check your spelling before posting, otherwise you just look like a great big hypocrite
    • Torki  •  10 months ago
      The man who invented the jet engine is a Brit and he doesn't have a statue. The man who invested the internet is also a Brit and he doesn't have a statue. So why have a statue or Regan, it is irrelevant (unless you want to cosy up to the US politicians?)....
      • gavin wye 10 months ago
        Sorry Torki but although i am a proud brit I get very angry when I hear people saying a brit invented the jet engine and the internet. NOT TRUE.
        The concept of the jet engine was first thought of in Germany. Whittle in the UK used the idea to produce the first working version. The Germans rapidly overtook because the MOD wern't interested.
        The internet was invented by the US military for reliable communications in the case of a nuclear war, using package switching technology. Incidentally this was rejected by ATT the american telefone company because "thats not how we do things" The military subsequently gave the internet to everyone else. Tim Burners-Lee invented the concept of the world wide web . He did not invent the internet.
      • Tracey Lee 10 months ago
        You are both wrong, Jens William ��gidius Elling built the first practicable jet. The internet was invented by the septics that is true, but the world wide web was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, Brit. Stupid yanks.
      • RS1800 10 months ago
        whittle has a full size jet out side of farnborough airfield on whittles roundabout.
    • Little Englander  •  10 months ago
      Yeh- let's see how much support we get from USA in the Falklands having backed them in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      America is all about self interest and the so called 'special relationship' is one of the great myths of out time.As for the end of the cold war- that was solely the result of the wholesale economic collapse of the communist system.The USSR was bankrupt and again-political principles go out of the window when hard cash comes into the equation.How long until they start placing statues up of corrupt EU officials or of our own politicians who've done very nicely on the take thank you.
      The only statue that will be close to my heart will be that of whoever sweeps this entire fraudulent pocket lining lot away and puts in place government that is principled, decent,honest and truly reflective of what the ENGLISH people want.
      • Eric 10 months ago
        Yeh -- just like the last Labour lot. Whose forgotten the mess they made of 13 years? Do we want more of that? Many, many will not.
      • Patton 10 months ago
        All the US ships and carriers safly in port while our troops were fighting in the falklands, meanwhile US backs the IRA to murder British civilians.
      • Kilroy 10 months ago
        What the ENGLISH want.Cheap Booze,X-Factor,two weeks in Magalluf, a job that pays them more than their worth where they can sit on their arses all day moaning.
    • Paul  •  10 months ago
      Obama ditches the statue of Winston Churchill from the Whitehouse Presidential Office, we get a statue of Ronald Reagan...all a bit telling really!
      • sandra 10 months ago
        Wah wah wah, all the Brits crying about the removal of a bust in the White house is pathetic. Is there a bust of a US President in #10 Downing Street?
      • A Yahoo! User 10 months ago
        I haven't seen anyone bar Paul complaining about the removal of Winston Churchill. I think you'll find most of the posts are directed at the outrage of having an ex US president slap bang in the middle of England's capital city. If he'd been a world hero then I could get it but he was a puppet for the right and had no political nouse what so ever. How he ever got in the position of President will remain a mystery for ever, as will Arnie becoming the Governor of California!
      • wish I had his money 10 months ago
        Churchill was the leader who lead the UK ALONE against Nazism. We stood alone while the USA wrung its hands wondering what to do. Were it not for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour and Churchill allying the UK and Empire with America, the USA would not have joined the War in Europe. Together we freed Western Europe from tyrany - although if you see US War films you'd think the did it all. Don't forget that Churchill's mother was American - so to remove his bust is an insult to her
    • Michael  •  10 months ago
      ���No-one votes on statues���. That���s true, but then no one is allowed to vote on any specific issue. Instead, we are allowed to vote for one party. If no party reflects all of our views, then we either abstain or vote for a party that we don���t wholly agree with. On many issues the main parties all agree and voter is not given any opportunity to vote for an alternative, even if he or she considers it to be the most important issue of the day.

      We will get only true democracy when we are given the opportunity to vote on issues.
      • S S 10 months ago
        All too true.

        And those issues need to be made legally binding as well - otherwise we end up with pledges and promises being broken (as with the Lib Dems).
        Breaking pledges makes a mockery of democracy, as at least some of their voters may have voted for them based on those pledges.

        And I agree 100% that on many issues the main parties all agree. They may act out those policies differently (some might say irresponsibly in some cases), but it does make it hard to vote for any of them on occasion.

        We will only get true democracy when those issues, pledges and manifestos are bound by law - meaning parties have to enact what they've been voted in on.......otherwise the electorate can trigger a vote of no confidence.

        I know I haven't voted for the Lib/Lab/Con in a good while. I'd rather cast a vote for local independants than have more of the same old politics.
      • Herbie 10 months ago
        We are a one party state, whoever you get just carry on doing the same old thing.And with our system we get taxi drivers etc becoming MP's then ministers. Dr Liam Fox what does he know about the Army, Navy or Air Force........nothing but away he goes putting us into trouble with cutbacks etc.What a country where it's own people come last.
      • Christopher 10 months ago
        Well said Michael.

        Switzerland is the closest any c\ountry gets to 'True Democracy'. The Swiss are entitled to challenge and call for a referendum on any issue or law.

        But I can't see that going down too well with the 'Corruptables'!!!!
    • Binky  •  10 months ago
      They should have cast the original spitting image puppet!
    • boomer 4646  •  10 months ago
      Better the statue be sited outside Macdonalds, a real clown called Ronald! He was never a friend of
      Britain, supplying Argentina with weaponry during the Falklands situation. Reaganomics & the trickle down capitalism he espoused played a major part in the disastrous financial situation we face
      today. Making the lives of most people nothing more than a 'B' movie.
      Was the Duke Of Westminster consulted on the matter? After all, he is the Landlord.
    • had enough  •  10 months ago
      Why have a statue of an ex american president. Remeber there are millions of service men and women who have lost their lives for this country we should honour them not an ex actor turned president.
    • bee  •  10 months ago
      What next in 20 years? a George W.Bush Statue... a Tony Blair one? Oh god, please no!
    • Tony  •  10 months ago
      The man responsible for the invasion of Grenada (a Commonwealth country) is honoured with a statue in London, OUTRAGEOUS !!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 months ago
      Hague the Vague's comments just show how out of touch he is with normal british people
    • COLIN  •  10 months ago
      who in this country cares about reagan and how much did it cost in this cost cutting age?
    • Elizabeth  •  10 months ago
      is there not someone british that they could have made a statue of more money wasted surprise surprise
    • JeffM  •  10 months ago
      As an American here in London, I have to say that this man was not the "beloved president" that is painted in the media. I'm not sure where that idea came from, but it is NOT the reality that I remember. I recall an extremely divisive and generally hated president who directly caused the fiscal irresponsibility that has been the norm ever since. He committed high treason (and got away with it) and then oversaw the dismantling of the unions and the one-day loss of 800,000 American jobs is what I most recall from this human trash. A statue?!?! Piss on it!
    • aram  •  10 months ago
      Yes Raymond I would prefer a statue of Stalin!! How much longer are this Government going to suck up to the Yanks? Reagan was a useless President with as much charisma as a prune (come to think of it there was a resemblance). I always got the impression that he was being worked from the back. This country is definitely becoming a Fiefdom of America and I don't like it!! Soon all our kids will have to adopt American spelling. I think it is scandalous to erect a statue to someone who wasn't even a good actor.
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      please, no statutes to stalin, that's just silly

      although it must be noted that without Stalin's industrialisation the USSR would have lost WW2 and we'd be having this conversation in German.
    • Karen  •  10 months ago
      I think, I need to remind some people here that not Reagan end the cold war, but the people on the street in Eastgermany with their peaceful revolution!
    • Mark  •  10 months ago
      Time to dissolve parliament and declare england as the 53rd state of America !
    • GILLIAN  •  10 months ago
      Perhaps William Hague thinks saying nice things about Reagan will gain him a statue in America. That's about the empty headedness he is capable of. And America is the best place for him, he's certainly no good to the British. He looks, sounds and thinks like a reincarnation of Archie Andrews
    • Giu  •  10 months ago
      "The use of a uniquely American figure with little following in Britain on Grosvenor Square confirms that this patch of London now belongs to a foreign power."

      this pretty much sums everything up.
    • Gargletrope  •  10 months ago
      Mr Dunt. Exactly why do you imagine that what people in London choose to do ..somehow is an indication of what the whole British nation thinks or wishes. It isn't
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