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    Despite the Falklands, Argentina and Britain can still be friends

    There is more uniting our two countries than dividing them.

    By Patricio Pouchulu

    Since my time as a post-graduate student at UCL in London, I've never met a single Brit who considered the Falklands a final obstacle between our countries.

    The same thing applies to Argentina. I remember informal talks about this issue at different universities in London; over the years I enjoyed exquisite pints of British ale in pubs discussing the subject - even on the back seat of an old Routemaster 12 bus when crossing Westminster Bridge after midnight.

    The links between our countries are still strong. I have visited parliament. The reception was friendly. I was told that once the South Atlantic problem was solved, we shall share a brilliant future together. My English friends who visit Buenos Aires fall in love with the city. Is it just a combination of good weather, great bookstores, elegant architecture and malbec? I believe something more complex attracts us.

    Around 1920, the trade between UK and Argentina was as big as between the UK and the entirety of the Commonwealth. Argentina's ancestors are mostly Italian and Spanish; however, it developed its culture by the hand of France, its technical education through Germany and infrastructure through the UK: railways, stations, ports, commercial transport. As an example, Buenos Aires inaugurated the first subway of the southern hemisphere in 1913, the same time as New York. In 1931, Edward, Prince of Wales, delivered a speech to push trade and encourage British to be even more ambitious with "Argentinean people".

    It was too late. Argentina became detached from its mentors and soon became industrialised. At the same time, it confronted US capitalist methods, trying to find socialist alternatives, but becoming slightly isolated in the process.

    On the surface, Argentineans and Brits are almost opposite: Latin and Anglo-Saxon, relaxed and strict, informal and formal, friendly and distant. But they are quite similar underneath: eccentric, creative, brave, provocative and funny. They even share a similar sense of humour. They love to laugh at themselves. The British have more in common with Argentineans than many other nationalities. There are only two countries in the whole world where people literally queue for everything.

    This is not to mention our mutual arrogance. The Falklands is neither about oil nor  the Antarctic. Certainly, it is not about fishing. It is not even about its inhabitants, transplanted there by UK long time ago - unfortunate witnesses of a play in the first row of an empty, cold theatre. The Falklands conflict is about pride.

    The UK is not longer an Empire. Argentina never was one. However, both countries have imperial capitals and imperial minds, even if Buenos Aires denies it, while London pretends that nothing has changed since the times of Admiral Nelson.

    Neither government has enough infrastructure to exploit that endless ocean. The quest to make it profitable is barely imaginable. The UK should follow the UN resolutions and start talking about sovereignty issues. On the other hand, Argentina must understand that, after nearly 180 years, even a tiny number of inhabitants have the right to keep their lifestyle, suburban environment and nationality. It is not impossible to find a solution. The alternative is an eternal, cyclical conflict and potential war, ignited every now and then to divert public attention from domestic crisis.

    Argentina and UK are fascinating countries, whose middle class is a rainbow made of writers, educators, scientists, journalists, professionals and entrepreneurs that run companies of all sizes. Once the Falklands problem is solved, both governments should join forces, signing an exemplar treaty that would inaugurate a promising era: new business partnerships and cultural agreements. Then the UK and Argentina will be able to explore, exploit and protect the southern seas and the Antarctic from unscrupulous multinationals. We can create oceanographic centres, build scientific submarines, develop study programs between our well established universities, experiment on sustainable architecture and even integrate our professional armed forces. We can show the world that two important Western countries can fight side by side against terrorism, monitor global security and natural resources, and leave a better legacy for future generations.

    Patricio Pouchulu is an Argentinean architect recognised by the British Council in 1997. Known as a contemporary futurist because of his grand projects in international competitions, he is also a practicing architect in conservation areas. He writes and lectures in Europe and South America.

     
    • Drew McGhie  •  Dubai, United Arab Emirates  •  3 months ago
      I have lived in Argentina and have a home there, as with the war in 1986, the government i sth eissue notthe people. Argentina usually has some form of extreme (radical( government who have very unpopular difficult domestic policies that can easily be deflected by focusing punblic attention on the Foriegn policy. Their only foriegn issue is The Falklands and it works every time!
      • EX RM 3 months ago
        1982 Drew
      • Steve 3 months ago
        Drew,
        the sickening thing is not the anti-British sentiment over in Argentina, but the anti-British sentiment back here at home.
        It is they who seem intent on giving moral support and legitimacy to the Argentine regime's callous sabre-rattling. As I said once before, at least Lord Haw Haw had the bottle to actually go and join the other side. This lot just sit comfortably at their laptops and betray their country from within.
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        EX RM
        Whenever I'm in France I pay my respects by visiting war graves - particularly a little one near Le Beny Bocage where a handful of my Dad's mates are buried and whose family names are familiar. It is both a mark of gratitude and a way of honouring them.
        But in your position it is a different prospect altogether to pay respect at the graves of your mates who died in the Falklands. Do you ever get to do it?
      • Amethyst velvet 3 months ago
        Well said, steve. If Hitler had been born later, we'd have been a push over and instead of the Home Guard there would be the PC brigade welcoming in the storm troopers with garlands of flowers and cups of tea! The Trendy Knock Britain brigade are a festering boil on the behind of British society!
    • geordie tree  •  North Shields, England  •  3 months ago
      Thirty years ago, most of the Argentine navy and armed forces, landed without warning on a remote Falkland island, protected by twenty unsuspecting Royal Marines. It was an obvious whitewash and the local people were enslaved with no respect and no chance of retalliation. The big job for our forces was to dislodge a large entrenched force on land, after enduring an eight thousand mile journey, by sea. An almost impossible task. We did it with the loss of many lives on both sides. Things are different now though. Just one nuclear submarine could keep the argentine navy pinned inshore. We would not need an Aircraft Carrier. We now have an airport with landing facilities for large supply aircraft and world class tyhoon fighter aircraft. Weapons which can be launched from hundreds of miles away, even from underwater striking within a few yards of the target. Argentina leaders might shout a lot at the moment but they will never be able to carry out the slimy trick they played the last time they arrived. We have every right to defend the Falklanders who wish to remain British. It is Argetina`s fault for causing the necessary extra defence measures. I wonder why our trade unions have not banned unloading Argentine ships as they have just done with our ships.
      • Hells Bells! 3 months ago
        Well put Geordie Tree. A concise and well put comment. An interesting thought why do we not put a ban on Argentina unloading ships in our ports.
      • Steve 3 months ago
        Knowing our own trades unions, HB, they would probably instruct their members to disobey the ban and unload them anyway.
      • Kevin 3 months ago
        Steve. What on earth are you talking about?
    • Owl  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      In the last few months we have had from Argentina.

      "Its our oil, its our fish"... wrong its the Falkland Islanders Oil and Fish. Offers where made to share and/or develop together the Falkland and Argentine areas. This was snubbed by Argentina.

      "Give Peace a chance" yeah, last time that happened (1982) was when the defending ship was withdrawn and then Argentina Invaded.

      "Its a Global Issue" No, its a problem for Argentina.

      "Britain is Militarising the south Atlantic" Lets do the maths... 1ship in.... 1ship out... start with 1ship end with 1ship. How is that a build up ?

      "We demand to know about Nuclear weapons" Well you invade Islands that are protected by a Nuclear Power... you work it out.

      The Islands where settled 180years ago, by people who are now being made to pay with trade blocks and now have some food shortages. This move by itself is definitely going to inspire the Islanders that Argentina cares about the people of the Islands. Its interesting to see that only in Argentina that flags get burned, considering the people of Falkland Island are the ones being punished.

      Argentina felt insulted when it was compared to a coloniser, but that is exactly what it is doing right now. Those are ours, we are going to make it hard for you, so give them up.

      At the end of the day, the people who live there want nothing to do with Argentina, they have been there since before the birth of Argentina. If the British gave back the Islands, who should they give them too as they where never Argentine. Perhaps hand them back to native Indians who lived on the mainland, but i think it would be hard to do that as they where colonised by those who now go by the title Argentine.

      Some of this article shows forward thinking, but I don’t see any compromise being accepted by both sides, perhaps just agree to disagree. Or do as the Islanders are doing.

      Keep calm, carry on.
      • Nathan 3 months ago
        That's a better article than Patricio Pouchulu's. Well written.
      • phillip 3 months ago
        Amen! you should write for a living, very well written. you sure you don't do this for a job?
      • J KAY 3 months ago
        He's right about the islanders being "transplanted" the UK recruited in the sixties as the population was dwindling, they are pawns in the UK strategy !
        Also right to say "Neither govrnment has the infrastructure to exploit that endless oceon" the stupid posturing on both sides is pathetic ! What we need is politicians like Patricio Pouchulu !!
    • ABC  •  3 months ago
      The article says the Falklands disagreement has nothing to do with the inhabitants. The article dismisses the residents as merely "inhabitants transplanted there by the UK a long time ago". Like an pretend population.
      Maybe they were originally, but 180 years later the falkland islanders can rightly call the land their own.
      The Falklands has everything to do with the residents.
      If you look at the history, the only people who can have any possible claim to the islands are the Falklanders themselves.
      • Teed 3 months ago
        You're right.
      • Kevin 3 months ago
        I don't believe there where ANY Argentinian inhabitants! So those that are there ARE the indigenous inhabitants!
    • J  •  3 months ago
      The islanders have built up excellent relations with Chile for sensible reasons. In terms of Economic Freedom Chile is ranked 7th in the World ('Mostly Free'), Argentina 158th ('Repressed'). Similar results can be found on the Global Corruption Perceptions Index.

      I think Argentina needs to continue cleaning up it's act to make itself a more attractive country to make friends with. The current row represents a major step in the wrong direction along that path, along the lines of blatant propaganda.
      • jimmy 3 months ago
        Is that why Chile is backing Argentina ?
      • J KAY 3 months ago
        last i read, there is no S American, or Caribbean State that recognises the UK claim.
      • J 3 months ago
        . . .that's a different issue, the article is about friendship. Friendship is built on mutual trust.
    • kelvin allanj  •  Abergele, Wales  •  3 months ago
      Patricio, any British visitor to your shores is immediately and repeatedly warned not to broach the subject of the Falklands and to walk away from any discussion about them. You might have enjoyed the freedom to discuss just about anything that exists in the UK but it seems there is no similar freedom in Argentina. Argentina is both just too repressive and too repressed with a lot in it's history to be deeply ashamed of. Whatever did happen to all those native Amerindians who, only 120 years ago, were the majority in Argentina? You are now 86% European origin and that suggests "ethnic cleansing" on an industrial scale.
      Friends are people you trust. Where is the basis for trust between our nations?
    • Phoenix  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      This is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Argentinian politicians and the UK media. The Argentinians aren't going to invade again, there is no legal obligation to discuss sovereignty unless the people of the islands wish for it and the treaties that we already had in place with Argentina to share in the mineral wealth of that area of the seabed was unilaterally torn up by Argentina in 2007. ~The UN can't create a position where soveriegnty for the new world is going to based on proximity and territorial boundaries of more than 200 years ago, otherwise the US, Canada, Brazil, Peru, Mexico and yes Argentina are going to have some serious issues preventing the "indiginous" americans from booting out all the people of European descent.
    • allan billingham  •  Walsall, England  •  3 months ago
      NOT ABOUT OIL AND FISHING RIGHTS SHE NEEDS TO SMELL THE COFFEE
    • Phoenix  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      As the Falklands are exactly the same distance from Argentina as erm......Argentina is from the Falklands, and the Falklands were settled before Argentina existed why don't the Islanders muddy the waters by claiming sovereignty over Argentina via the UN? Just a thought! :-)
    • Thomas  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      "The UK should follow the UN resolutions and start talking about sovereignty issues. On the other hand, Argentina must understand that, after nearly 180 years, even a tiny number of inhabitants have the right to keep their lifestyle, suburban environment and nationality. It is not impossible to find a solution."

      I see, so I might be correct on guessing your solution would be to guarantee to Falklanders their right to the lifestyles and culture which they have while transfering sovereignty?

      Hmm.. the Falklanders enjoy all the powers of a regular country minus control and of foreign and defence policies. Why in the world would the Faklanders be prepared to loose powers of taxation and self-goverance?

      If Argentina only takes control of foreign affairs and defence when it comes to the Falklands (which I doubt) then ARgentina would still have to recognise a seperate juristication when it comes to the continental shelf which of course would mean most of the energy resources would rightfully end up belonging to the Falklanders...

      Something does not add up here.
    • geraint  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      This article ignores a few things 1) The right of the Islanders to self determination 2) The fact that The falklands has never been Argentinian (unless you count the 82 Invasion and brief occupation and the Islanders have been there before the Argentine nation even existed. 3) It is the Argentines who invaded and who in the mid 90's re--wrote there constitution to reclaim las Malvinas. 4) It is the Argentines who tore up the joint oil deal (and missed out on all the potential wealth) and have been trying to bully and blockade the Falklanders ever since.
    • Judge Deed  •  3 months ago
      Argentina's president needs to stop trying to get the USA involved. She met Hilary Clinton last year and tried to get her to suggest to David Cameron that Argentina should take over the Falklands. It was a no-go and your lady president should cease all attempts to get support of any blockade of shipping to the islands. It is sabre-rattling and will not be tolerated, hence the warships. Reconciliation is up to Argentina, not the UK.
    • EX RM  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      You quote : Once the south Atlantic problem has been solved :: We did resolve that issue on the 14th June 1982 in Port Stanley when all land forces under the command of Galtierie surrendered to General Moore in Goverment house . 11 members of my unit never came back from there and for all the others that didnt return from both sides . It is resolved ..END OF
    • faraway  •  3 months ago
      us brits have never had a problem with the argies untill they start to try and bully us and the people of the falklands.
      if spain suddenly said get out because we were there first im sure you would have a problem with it.
    • David .  •  3 months ago
      Argentina has absolutely no valid claim to the Falklands. Never has had. The republic of Argentina did not exist when for a short time a few Spanish speaking were there. Its geographical proximity is irrelevant. I would never vote for Cameron or his party but I am absolutely behind him on this.
    • Hoodwink Nest  •  Consett, England  •  3 months ago
      It's only Argentina that keeps going on and on about the Falklands, get over it, and get more Human rights issues sorted out, you Fascists!
    • bob m  •  Cheltenham, England  •  3 months ago
      good dream sir but you forgot one thing your lot started the war not the british and the the people on the island want to stay british not to be run by politans
    • Steve  •  3 months ago
      One huge problem that I see is that by discussing the issue on "reasonable" terms, by conceding that this article above is calm and balanced, and so on, we are being suckered.
      We are allowing ourselves to be drawn into a supposedly "legitimate" debate about the sovereignty of the Falklands.
      But that is a false premise.
      There is no debate.
      Argentina has no legitimate claim.
      In fact it has nothing to do with Argentina at all - no more than the future of the Shetlands should be debated with Norway.
      The only undisputable facts are:-
      1. the Argentine leader is stirring it up for her own reasons and
      2. there is a depressing number of anti-British zealots here who will jump on any opportunity to bring their own country down.
      Why are we giving oxygen to the flames by discussing it at al?
    • johnp  •  3 months ago
      This is a UK media hype and an Argentinian internal political struggle - I am tired of reading about this. There is no issue here. The Falklands are a part of the UK and will be defended as such. Imagine some foreign country trying to claim the Scilly Isles or the Channel Isles. The Falklands are no different and the inhabitants are UK citizens. Argentina would never invade again as the next time UK missiles would be directed into Argentinian homeland military bases, airields and government buildings. They could not handle that.
    • Wombat Warrior  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Of course The Argentine and the UK can be friends. But that takes both sides.
      The UK has no grievance with The Argentine, and is not making any demands whatsoever of them.
      It is the Argentine that is making all the fuss. All they have to do is pipe down about their claim to a territory they have never territory owned. We have perfectly cordial relationships with France - take a look at the location of the channel islands.

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