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    Talking Politics

    Everyone is trying to seduce everyone else.

    Labour wants to tempt the Lib Dems into backing their demand for the risk register to be published by playing on the party's commitment to freedom of information during an afternoon debate later today. Cameron wants to tempt Miliband into talking about it before then.

    There was a twinkle in the prime minister's eye as he entered the chamber. That twinkle, it turned out, was a Labour briefing document reminding MPs that Andy Burnham — once health secretary, now shadow heath secretary — had kept a risk report on the NHS secret himself not so long ago.

    The prime minister was desperate to let it out, like a little girl with a horrid secret, but Miliband was unmoved. "What a failure of leadership" it was to avoid the subject, he told the Labour leader. He's such a flirt. "As we're being kept here to vote at seven on the publication of the risk registers, why don't you ask a question about that?" he added.

    Then: "Are you going to ask a question about it or are you frightened of your own motion?" The prime minister was like some horrible image of a topless mermaid, inviting the sailor off his principled ship. A master strategist he may not be, but Miliband has enough sense to avoid the question his opponent is urging him to ask.

    His reticence drove the Conservative leader into spasms of angry movement. He was seemingly livid from the first question — a sarcastic opener on the various medical bodies not invited to Monday's NHS reform meeting. Instantly, the PM was beset by movement. His index finger waved in the air in violent semi-circles, then pointed violently downwards, as if squishing an insect. He made stabbing motions with his hands and then thrust them outward. Tellingly, he kept glancing behind him at the Tory benches, as if desiring more support. He had good reason to. At the start of the session, his backbenchers failed to lead with a sarcastic cheer for Miliband — the early dig they usually use to unsettle the Labour leader.

    Miliband — at this stage still in the ascendancy - stood chillingly still. Only his left hand moved, bumping slowly up and down on the table, seemingly oblivious to the rest of his body, like a human metronome.

    Andrew Lansley started to get very excited, constantly leaning over George Osborne to whisper advice in the prime minister's ear. Given his record on advice, one might question how valuable it was. Cameron responded with a bare minimum of politeness, a staccato nod of the head and then pointed indifference. "Let me say to the health secretary I don't think the prime minister wants advice from him," Miliband pointed out, a cruel little smile playing on his lips.

    Bercow started intervening so regularly neither Cameron nor Miliband could work out who he was telling to sit down. Eventually they both stood confused by their despatch box, staring at each other - a tiny moment of solidarity as the Commons fell about around them. Bercow struggled for several seconds to acquire some silence, barking order in ever-higher frequencies until MPs settled down. Once they did, he reminded parliament of "what the public think". MPs across the House sighed exasperatedly as one.

    After Miliband resolutely failed to fall into Cameron's trap, the PM gave in and opened it up himself, managing to acquire a loud cheer from the Tory benches with his mockery of Burnham's apparent hypocrisy. Tory spirits improved significantly and Miliband was reduced to defending Labour's period in office in the same dull manner that leaders always use when stumped for a response. He got his final line out, however - comparing Cameron's support for NHS reform with Thatcher's defence of the poll tax. That comparison has been made by the press all week of course, which is why it was so useful for the opposition leader as a short-cut into the evening news.

    Score draw on points. Supreme flappability.

     

    43 comments

    • Alan  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      End of the NHS. Don't be sick - unless you are one of the parasites who are taking £400,000,000 in bonuses for doing their job. Sick.
    • jennie  •  Sheffield, England  •  3 months ago
      Ed Milliband was on good form today. Cameron got more and more angry, his face contorted as he failed to get the response he wanted. Him and his whole bag of "nasties" sat sneering, he made me feel quite ill - but of course, with his determination to get this dreadful NHS bill through at any cost, it will be no good calling for a doctor! This man comes across as singly the most uncaring, arrogant person on the planet. God help us all the longer he stays in power.
      • alistair 3 months ago
        "The most uncaring arrogant person on the planet" Oh really? More uncaring than Robert Mugabe? Than Kim Jong Un? Bashar Al-Assad? Hu Jintao? Vladimir Putin? Fred the Shred?

        Are you also saying that Cameron is more uncaring and arrogant than Margaret Thatcher, who I am going to assume you regard as the Devil incarnate?

        I am not sure which is the more ludicrous, your sky-high exaggeration of the evils of David Cameron or your puzzling and, frankly, quite worrying worship of Ed Milllibean. Still, if I felt the need to express my devotion to Ed Milliband on the Web, I might use an anonymous signature such as 'A Yahoo User' as well.
      • trueblue 3 months ago
        He is the best thing since our Maggie - liebour jusy spent what we did not have and we are all paying for it now!
      • jennie 3 months ago
        Alistair - as you see you got it wrong. I am not "A Yahoo User" and not afraid to give my name. But, you got it right in one thing..."We are all in it together" Dave and the milk snatcher do share the top spot for inhumanity. It is the Tory philosophy's tentacles that reach every corner of the globe. It is responsible for spreading greed, abuse of power and maintaining the status quo of privelege that I object to.
    • Sarah the first  •  3 months ago
      Can I point out that this weekly exchange is called Prime Ministers Questions as it is the Prime Minister who is supposed to answer questions - not pose them. Ed Milliband knows full well that Dave asking questions is evasion tactic number 1. So Ed Miliband is under no obligation whatsoever to answer questions.
      Dave who is required to answer however - didn't manage a single one.
      • andyandjill 3 months ago
        that is so true
      • jenner 3 months ago
        Is there a record anywhere of a polititian of any party answering a question?
        Of course I wouldn't expect it to be an honest answer.
      • Sam 3 months ago
        That is because Ed has no answers to any questions.
    • Des  •  3 months ago
      when you get a minute just turn off the sound and look at the stupid looking buggers we elected and the other set of stupid buggers we didnt elect and wonder to yourself is it worth going out to vote if thats what the end product for doing so amounts to
      • SUSAN 3 months ago
        @ Des - they were ALL elected? Two-thirds with less than a third of their constituents votes! But yeah, I get your point - when you turn the sound down, try replacing the sound with noises similar to Bill & Ben the flower pot men, and little weed - its about the right mentality for our current political system.
    • SHAUN  •  Manchester, England  •  3 months ago
      So the Commons sighed at the thought of what the public thinks. Well that's just about right isn't it. They don't care what any of us thinks it is all a game to them for which they get well paid. Isn't there one leader out there with enough guts to tell this lot to shut up and stop playing games but instead actually focus on the nation's problems?
    • Des  •  3 months ago
      yes it was a bit like the muppet show as always but elect muppets and you get a muppet show ....i dont include lib dems in this they are not bright enough to be muppets ....end of
    • Fen  •  3 months ago
      From a different point of view - Cameron really is just a better speaker - regardless of policy, and Miliband frequently fails to provide enough proof to push Cameron into a corner.
      I don't really understand why the leftists are out today.
      Don't you guys understand that the reason big business has power is because we allow our governments the power to give it to them?
      How will bigger government, or, *shudder* socialist government, with all its ineffectual bureaucracy be better?
      Removing the ability for lobbying to take place and replacing it with a free market will mean companies will have to actually compete, and will not be able to be bailed out by the taxpayer. The idea that government should have more control is quite insulting to people - in a practical sense, saying you can't look after yourself or take responsablility.

      Less government. More Freedom.
    • Sammyparfitt  •  3 months ago
      I thought Milliband wiped the floor with Cameron. Its always easy to see when Cameron is losing, he resorts to personal insults and refuses to address Miliband as the Right Honourable Gentleman. Whilst that may seem to old worldy to some it just shows what a bully Flashman Cameron is.

      My main condemnation is for Clegg who is allowing Cameron to get away with this ripping apart, and privatisation of the NHS. It is a shame for Miliband, that Blair, did so much to allow creeping privatisation into the NHS. Cameron, Clegg, Osborne and Blair-all Tories and all liars.
      • cns 52 3 months ago
        Liebore brought in private health care when thy were in power,now the tories are doing it its wrong.HYPOCRITES.
      • Frankbaugh 3 months ago
        Liebore. Never head of it my friend.
      • cns 52 3 months ago
        They were the lying boring party that caused this mess.Lie bore.Simple really.
    • Koh-i-Noor  •  3 months ago
      I think Dunt is a paid Socialist apparatchik. He's forever writing tripe (don't they all?) Never a word on policy. Never an ounce of ideas. No substance. No solutions. Just whine, whine, whine. All propaganda and personal attacks.

      Notice too how the socialists all flock to the diminishing Party banner, a bit like a shipwrecked survivor watching the tide coming in in her tiny island. I would like to know when the LieBore Party leadership are prosecuted for treason.
    • It's me again  •  3 months ago
      Dunt, you and your ilk are the reason that politicians now see PM's questions as a joke. It is meant to answer questions concerning the state of the economy, the NHS and such. I am p***ed off with these stupid, inappropriate articles or blogs saying "one nil to Ed. Cameron won this week." They are making decisions that affect the lives of millions of people and the legacy (or rather, mess) that we are leaving our children. I couldn't give a s**t who looked best, who has got the best one liners or any other diarrhea you want to spurt. Parliament is packed full of overweight middle aged men that need to grow up and do the job they are employed to do, but when non reporters like you encourage them what hope is there for this country.

      I would suggest that you may be better trying to get a job reviewing children's toys or, even better, down some abandoned mine.
    • Shmucktyoldschmeister  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      A topless mermaid with a condom over his head, yes a horrible image alright.
    • SUSAN  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      All that is required is that each side throw paper aeroplanes at each other, and the school classroom scene is complete - this is what passes for politics in this country????????
    • boingsplat  •  Linlithgow, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      The prime minister was like some horrible image of a topless mermaid... yuk, really?
      I would be a lot happier if Andrew Landsley was not being bankrolled by "a leading private health care provider". There is ample evidence of the damage that can be caused when "big business" gets to write its own legislation. I'd rather not see a repeat.
      • SUSAN 3 months ago
        Good post Boingsplat - we've seen so many 'privatisations' for the sake of it!

        To whoever red-thumbed Boingsplat - this is a debating forum, if you disagree with a comment, why not reply - it's what this whole thing is about isn't it? If you have evidence that Andrew Landsley isn't being paid by a leading private healthcare provider, then we want to hear it. Come on, don't be shy.

        And why your at it, you could tell us all why, as part of the bill, he wants to remove the right of UK citizens to treatment under the NHS, and the legal obligation for the government to provide that treatment - what's that all about then? Surely, if anything is going to undermine the very principles that the NHS was set-up to address, then this will, won't it?

        This bill is totally and utterly flawed, and everyone knows it. Noone is denying that the NHS needs some reforms to address problems for the future - but this wholesale, ideologically driven nonsense is not the answer.
    • Donald  •  3 months ago
      Of course the NHI does not need revision. One day I sat awaiting a meeting I counted 75 people walking around in 2o minutes. Twice I have walked out after waiting over 2 hours. On one occasion I sat outside a consulting room opposite a manned desk. The occupier of the desk went away, then a patient was wheeled out with her file on her lap. This eventually fell onto the floor, someone picked it up amd placed it on the desk. The person then returned to her work place and seeing the file picked it up and placed it into a tray. Then an assistant came and wheeled the patient away. (without the file).Then other files were placed on top of the original filt (that should not have been there). The assistant returned and asked about the file only to be told that it was not there. Eventually a Sister arrived and spoke to the occupier of the desk Who insisted that the file was not there.. Ignoring her commenst the Sister then decided to look into the tray and obviously found the file. Just ONE example of the efficiency of the NH. I sat there through all of theis. I am now sitting at home nursing DVT from the same hospital. I could go on.but havent got the time to waste.
    • Realworld  •  3 months ago
      Miliband is just treading water until Balls tips him over
    • ALASDAIR  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Is there any point in reading a Dunt article, probably not so I didn't.
    • Peter M  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      What on earth is a score-all draw?
    • RedTez  •  3 months ago
      Ian Dunt - GROW UP!!

      Best Regards ALL
    • WILLIAM  •  Edinburgh, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      i thought it was called pm,s questions not pm,s chance to ask questions come on diddy dave answer the questions and grow up mr no punch and judy polotics ha!ha!ha!
    • Carygrunt  •  3 months ago
      Cns. It okay, we understand where you stand. On the side of the idiots.

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