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    It’s not about morality – bonuses simply don’t work

    By Dr Matthew Ashton

    With the row over Stephen Hester's pay now over, it's clear David Cameron and the coalition are either unwilling or unable to act on the issue of bonuses. This is potentially a real stumbling block for them, and attempts to blame the previous Labour administration don't seem to be gaining traction. Vince Cable last week announced their plans to restrain executive compensation, and that effectively added up to them hoping that people would do the right thing. At the risk of sounding cynical, appealing to people's better nature when it comes to money hasn't always worked out.

    If Hester had decided to take his bonus, he would - deservingly or not - have become the new face of banker's greed, displacing Fred the Shred. Some in the media have argued that we seem to have ended up with a new financial elite who grew up watching Wall Street, and saw 'greed is good' less as a cautionary morality tale then as a personal blueprint for their future behaviour. I think a wider issue here that needs to be both acknowledged and addressed is that performance related pay simply doesn't work, or to be exact it doesn't work for the finance industry.

    People by and large are ok with the idea of bonuses; for instance most of us tip in restaurants between ten and twenty per cent. However this is our decision based on a subjective set of criteria unique to us e.g. how fast the food arrives, how polite the staff are, how quickly they attend when you want something, and perhaps most importantly the quality of the food (even if this isn't actually anything to do with the waiting staff).

    Equally performance-related pay works in jobs which are based on simple, easily measurable tasks, such as assembling items on a factory line. In that case the foreman can count the number of assembled items at the end of each day, week, month or year and hand out bonuses accordingly. Another example is football, with players often given extra payment per goal scored. Even simple criteria can lead to problems though. If a freelance writer is paid by the word it doesn't necessarily take into account the quality of the pieces being produced; motivating the writer to just type as much as possible. Therefore another subjective set of criteria needs to be introduced. There is also the problem of what happens when the criteria leads to risky or dangerous behaviour. If you reward delivery drivers on the basis of the speed by which they deliver their goods that could encourage them to break the speed limit.

    So when rewarding even simple behaviour is so problematic why do so many people think it works for more complex tasks? Time and time again the academic evidence suggests that it doesn't and actually leads to bad decisions being made. A variety of prime ministers since Margaret Thatcher have experimented with introducing performance-related pay into the management of the public services. Their argument was that this would help attract the best people for the job. However there is little evidence that the quality of public management has improved since then.

    Again the academic research done at the LSE and elsewhere suggests that financial compensation simply doesn't work for very complex decisions or processes. This can be easily illustrated by taking the example of MPs. Say you introduced performance related pay for MPs how would you go about measuring their performance? By the number of hours spent with in the chamber? They could quite easily settle down and snooze their way through hundreds of debates. By the number of times they vote? They can vote every single time but that doesn't mean they vote the right way. Getting their constituents to vote every year on their performance? Tricky because how do their constituents know if they've done a good job or not? Also what might look like a good decision in the short term might turn out to be terrible in the long term e.g. the decision to invade Iraq or selling off Britain's gold supplies. Whenever anyone suggests performance related pay for our elected officials, MPs are usually the first to jump up and state that it wouldn't work while at the same time trying to force it on everybody else.

    When it comes to the finance industry the problem becomes even more acute. What are these people being rewarded for? If it's simply doing their jobs then surely that's what their basic salary is for? The standard excuse trotted out by the bonus culture apologists is that people won't be motivated to work hard without the promise of a reward at the end of it. With all due respect, this does a huge disservice to a huge chunk of the UK population who work extremely hard regardless of whether they get a bonus or not.

    The same people will argue that private companies should be free to give what bonuses they like. This is all well and good but if the bonus culture leads to bad decisions and financial collapse; and the tax payer having to subsequently step in and bail them out, then it seems only logical and reasonable that we get a say. In fact the vigour by which they defend performance related pay inevitably leads you to the conclusion that bankers defend it, not necessarily because it works, but because they do very nicely out of it (or hope to), and the turkeys don't vote for Christmas. There is also the fact that if you give someone a big bonus one year and make them extremely rich, they'll have less need to get a similar sized bonus the next year. Therefore you have to keep increasing the size of the bonus to get similar behaviour out of them. You don't exactly have to be a rocket scientist to see the problems with this.

    The bankers' other argument is that if we don't give people these tremendous amounts they'll leave and go elsewhere. Well this seems reasonable; if the finance industry hadn't spent decades recruiting the best minds they'd have ended up with people who could have brought the world to the brink of financial collapse and saddled us with a crippling decade long recession. Oh wait, they did. If this is the result of them recruiting the very best people God knows what the worst people might have done. As ever their arguments are so transparently nonsense you do wonder why they've not been exposed to proper scrutiny before now.

    What we urgently need to do in Britain and elsewhere is rethink the entire issue of compensation. If you look at some of the more successful companies what they've increasingly started doing is either giving workers shares they're forbidden to sell for a long time or found other ways to compensate them. Google, for instance, gives employees time off to work on their own projects. If we don't take steps now when public mood is on the right side of this issue then we'll just continue rewarding people for making bad decisions and surely that's in nobody's interest?

    Dr Matthew Ashton is a politics lecturer at Nottingham Trent University. Visit his blog.

     

    67 comments

    • Twain shall meet  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      What a bonus culture tends to promote is short-termism. Having received billions of public money, one of the reactions of the banks is to reduce their staff numbers - effectively increasing tax payers costs still further. It does meet targets for improving the potential profitability of those banks. To then pay bonuses on that basis does seem to be insane.
      • Peter 3 months ago
        Which is exactly what Stephen Hester did. The argument is that he has turned the business towards profitability, when in fact all he and his cronies have done is dumped thousands of staff on the dole and placed the onus for that action onto the Public Purse.
      • liveandletlive 3 months ago
        Plus they are not lending to small businesses so even more will be on the dole. WE ALL need to take our money out of these big banks. With such a low interest rate they are using our cash and gobbling up the profits instead of passing them on to savers. Clever huh?
    • Peter  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      'People by and large are ok with the idea of bonuses; for instance most of us tip in restaurants between ten and twenty per cent'. that is more to do with making up for low pay.
      Those receiving remuneration of millions do so because the job, supposedly, carries great responsibility and the salary reflects this.
      Why receive such bonuses for doing the job they are paid to do?
      • John 3 months ago
        ...and some of us would like to be able to AFFORD to go to restaurants!
      • teranick 3 months ago
        ...and some of us are actually ON the tip.
      • michael 3 months ago
        ...and tips do not get into the pockets of the staff. It is the owner who takes the tips then uses that to underpay the staff.
    • Robert  •  Milton Keynes, England  •  3 months ago
      Surely this needs no further debate, people are paid to do their jobs and if they are not happy with that payment they should go elsewhere. That is market forces! One thing I would like to know; who sits on remuneration commitees and does the person being remunerated sit on any of THEIR remuneration commitees? In other words, is this just an incencuous orgy?
    • .  •  3 months ago
      "rethink the entire issue of compensation"...or maybe just rethink the entire finance industry?
    • MATT  •  3 months ago
      It is OUR money that they are rewarding themselves!!!!!
      I consider this fraudulent and as such prosecutions should commence.
      • Sue H 3 months ago
        If only it could happen....
    • richard  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      It's a classic abusive relationship: one party – the bankers – have the upper hand and those that don't – the politicians – are too scared to do anything about it for fear that they'll go elsewhere.
    • Thecaretaker  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      Last week, my employer paid me a day late. My account went £11 and fourpence overdrawn on the night of the 16th (I had £900 in my savings account). The letter I got the next morning proposed a series of monthly penalty charges at a rate that would put a payday lender to shame. By the 17th, however, I was already 'lending' the bank over £4000. Where's my bonus? They don't pay interest on current accounts. My 'savings' earn all of 1.6 per cent a year. Let's not forget amid all the talk of bonuses and grotesque salaries (bankers don't actually do anything!) and £billion 'profits', that at the bottom of the pile it is the rapacious way in which they treat their retail customers and the atrocious pay and insecurity of their branch staff) that are causing such simmering resentment.
      • Martin 3 months ago
        Why not "vote with your feet" and change bank? Choose an account with a guaranteed fee free overdraft, and tell your current bank what you've done and why.

        If enough of us did this, the bad banks would soon have to change their ways; unfortunately most people are too loyal for their own good.
      • Amethyst velvet 3 months ago
        Yes, caretaker......people power!
      • Andrew 3 months ago
        You need to have a word with your employer and get them to pay your fees...
    • SUSAN  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      Not only do I think that noone should get a bonus - but how about setting a maximum wage level. I'm fine about true entreupreneurs getting reward above & beyond, as a result of their own efforts in inventing, producing, employing people - but with someone who is employed in any capacity, why should they expect anything above what their wage is? Surely, it could be said that if someone doesn't succeed in any capacity as part of their job (ie. is not eligible for a bonus) they are simply not doing their job properly. So what is the bonus for?

      I've heard this myth about people threatening to move-on, or organisations/companies saying they cannot retain people without higher than normal wages, or some sort of bonus. I say, call their bluff, and let them go - there's plenty of talent out there - there are plenty of talented people who are struggling to find jobs - let them have an opportunity - most of these people receiving ridiculas wages/bonuses are simply over-rated most of the time anyway - they like to think they're indispensible - but really, noone is.
      • teranick 3 months ago
        Is any one person actually WORTH what these people are being paid ?.
      • Amethyst velvet 3 months ago
        Spot on. Teranick.
    • Peter  •  3 months ago
      The issue is that there needs to be another way of recognising success other than money. These people don't really need a massive bonus, no one really needs million pound salaries at the end of the day but money is seen as a measure of success. People who get to the top are bound to be incredibly competetive. They are all competeing with each other and they easiest way to do this is through how much money they have. Also money is power and influence.
    • John M  •  Telford, England  •  3 months ago
      Well, top doctors, surgeons & nurses ALL earn less than so - called financial wiz-kids, and have no bonuses... so maybe its the fault of us all that we value bankers over life-savers... and dont even get me started on football... a bunch of prima - donnas who can kick a ball about a bit and take a dive when it suits- so what?
    • GB  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      A fine article by Dr Ashton, but - like all the current and justified outcry over disproportionate rewards - it's a debate we should have been having more than a year ago, when the Coalition began launching its economic policies. The very people who thrive on bonuses sank the economy. Their political friends argued that the previous government had done the damage, when it was clearly a right wing banking issue. (In fact the previous government had a better debt to GDP ration in 2007 - before the credit crunch - than when it took power in 1997.) The right wing argument not only distracted attention from the damage the financial industries had done, it frightened people into accepting draconian measures that penalised the poor, whilst (amazingly) the wealthiest in society were promised soon to be reduced levels of taxation and immunity from government interference with their privileged lifestyles. Little by little (I personally hope) this mirage of an argument is being exposed for what it is.
    • Robert C  •  Galashiels, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      "...if we don't give people these tremendous amounts they'll leave..." . So what. The fact that some will throw their toys out of the pram and up sticks and leave if they don't get paid obscene amounts, is proof that their paypacket is the only thing they're interested in and that this country would be better off without them.
    • michael  •  3 months ago
      Emotional blackmail is very nasty and that is exactly what the banking community has been engaged in for decades. Money and power, they want both and seem to have both at the moment. I and very many other people throughout the developed world vote in our politicians. We do not vote in any Banker, Hedgefund manager, Stockbroker or Accountant. Yet it is now the bankers who control the worlds economy and everything else, not the politicians who have been democratically voted in by us the common people. Call their bluff on the lot of them. Sack the banking boards and CEO's wholesale. See if there are any juniors on the staff who have the honesty, capacity, intelligence, diligence , integrity and patriotism to take over and totally change the face of banking for good, at least for the foreseeable future until the next lot of conmen manage to subvert the system to their advantage as the current lot are doing right now. Get rid of everyone of them. Make them re apply publicly for any job in banking in the future with full disclosure of their past decisions. That should be just the beginning. Whilst we are at it Loan sharks should be closed down with immediate effect, their properties confiscated, sold and money given back to those who have had to pay thousands of times well over the odds for their often quite meagre original loans. Off with their heads. Let the tumbrils roll.
    • David  •  St Albans, England  •  3 months ago
      What a great article. I think if we are to give people bonuses for performance then we should also make deductions for under-performance, now watch the bonus culture change! Better still just get paid for the job you do and be done with it like the majority of us do! Paying a footballer a bonus if he scores a goal? That's what he and the team get paid for! Paying a bonus to a banker because he looks after the best interest of his customers? (Shame they don't) That's why he gets a salary! Even tipping in restaurants for 'good' service, they get paid to give good service, how about deductions for 'bad' service. Otherwise it's like a paying a doctor a bonus to diagnose and recommend the correct treatment, or paying a bonus to the postman for posting a letter in the correct letterbox!

      I worked hard and diligently each day but never received nor expected a bonus and that was in a safety critical job.
      The 'bonus' definitely does not work but does become open to abuse. Mind you we the public maybe need to make our collective voices heard in outrage at these indefensible bonuses being paid!
    • scouser  •  3 months ago
      it's not only the bankers we need to worry about, take a look at your local council and see the money some of these people earn, there are numerous people in the council earning over £250,000 and that's not incuding their expense accounts and free car that often come with a chauffer, no one working in the public sector should be earning more that the prime minister and defineatley no bonuses, i have to laugh when i see those in the labour government criticise the wages and bonuse that are awarded, it was those same clowns who turned their backs and allowed it to happen, the did nothing when councils doubled our council taxes and awarded themselves massive pay rises, they also introduced early retirement plans that those in the private sector could only dream about, i would like to hear from anyone who disagrees with me to reply and tell me, if they really believe the services they get at present from their council is any better than it was before they doubled our council tax.
    • Whatsupdoc  •  Runcorn, England  •  3 months ago
      The one thing the artcile does not address is the question of corruption. Ffor Boards of Directors to set their own pay and bonuses, unless in a proprietor-owned business, is corruption in its most blatant form. No-one should be able to set his own pay, and company law should be altered to stop it happening. Sure, Cable wants workers to be on remuneration panels, but that idea won't work unless it has the law behind it and stiff penalties attached to it for those who refuse to co-operate.
    • PATRICIA  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      Have the bonusaholics in banking never heard of the French Revolution? Or the Russian Revolution? If you take the piss out of ordinary people for long enough, sooner or later they start to work out that there are a lot more of them than there are of you. This is never fun for anybody.
    • Fnn  •  Liverpool, England  •  3 months ago
      Time to call their bluff - will they really take their 'expertise' abroad? Thanks to them, half the world's economy has been destablised and UK plc is in debt in collossal debt indefinitely, so by rights they should never get another bonus, especially at the state bailed out and owned RBS!
    • Martin  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      Some years ago I read about a massive takeover proposed between two massive companies. The CEO's of the company involved in the hostile takeover said it was a good idea. The unions predicted massive job cuts as the debt load incurred by the successful bidder would cripple both companies (sound familiar ). The takeover went ahead. The CEO left the ailing business for pastures new with $100million dollars pocketed. The new company failed, and there were massive lay-offs, but the CEO did not feel the need to send back the $100m. We need a mechanism to #$%$ back the stolen cash. Lehman Brothers bonuses were ring-fenced while they were failing. That is not only immoral, it's nuts. Short term manoevres designed to make the select few huge profits which risk the system and their companies going forwards could be slowed right down if there was a mechanism to claw back the cash.
    • beefheart  •  Bolton, England  •  3 months ago
      Lets call their bluff. Let them walk out of the jobs that they are so well qualified to do. I don't think bringing the UK's banking industry to it's knees will look that good on their CV's will it? Who will be giving them a reference?

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