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    RBS Posts £2bn Loss Amid Bank Bonus Anger

    Taxpayer-backed Royal Bank of Scotland has announced a full year loss of nearly £2bn - further fuelling the debate about bankers' pay and bonuses.

    The bank, which is 82% owned by the state, posted a pre-tax loss of £766m for 2011 and a total loss of almost £2bn, which includes various accounting and tax charges.

    The bank said "several large one-off items" accounted for the loss, including a near-£1bn hit for mis-sold payment protection insurance compensation.

    Greek sovereign debt impairments and restructuring costs also played a part.

    The figure compares to total losses of £1.1bn in 2010.

    The bank will pay out £785m in bonuses to all its staff, with £390m going to RBS's 17,000 investment bankers.

    The average pay out to an investment banker will be £23,000, although some will get nothing and many of the awards will be much higher.

    The total bonus pool, revealed exclusively a day earlier by Sky News City editor Mark Kleinman , is a 43% reduction on last year.

    Mr Kleinman said: "The reduced bonus numbers for RBS's investment bank represents a cut of about 60% on last year's pot of £950m.

    "RBS argues that this demonstrates restraint amid intense criticism of City pay."

    RBS has been at the centre of a growing row over bankers' pay, which led to chief executive Stephen Hester waiving his £963,000 bonus several weeks ago.

    In a statement that has accompanied the latest results, Mr Hester wrote: "We have three jobs at RBS - to support our customers, to defuse our legacy risks and to rebuild a successful profitable bank.

    "In 2011 we showed results aross all three goals, though with much still to go."

    The lavish bonus culture amid economic austerity follows a period in which the bank announced thousands of job cuts as it scaled back its investment arm Global Banking and Markets.

    Staff costs decreased by 9% in 2011.

    In a letter to shareholders RBS chairman Sir Philip Hampton wrote: "I understand people's anger and anxiety about inequalities in pay at a time when the economy is weak.

    "RBS alone cannot fix these issues if we are to achieve what is asked of us commercially."

    RBS, which employs 146,800 staff, received a £45.5bn taxpayer bailout at the height of the financial crisis in 2008.

    In January, RBS former chief executive Fred Goodwin had his knighthood stripped over his role in the bank's near-collapse.

    RBS and its rivals have been hit by volatile financial markets, eurozone debt woes, weak consumer confidence at home and reforms to banking regulation and law, such as forcing banks to separate their retail and investment banking arms.

    Chancellor George Osborne supported the bank's move to reduce investment banker bonuses.

    He said: "The new management team at RBS are cleaning up the mess after the biggest bank bailout in history, just as the Government is cleaning up the system of bank regulation that failed so badly.

    "These results show that they are doing just that.

    "We have made clear that RBS should be a backmarker in the industry when it comes to pay, so it's right that bonuses at the investment bank are less than half what they were last year and less than a third of what they were in 2009.

    "But our main interest should be to get back as much money as possible for taxpayers and we must not let those that want to create an anti-business culture put that at risk."

    Deputy prime minister Nick Clegg told Sky News that RBS investment banker bonuses were "going in the right direction of travel."

    He added that he would "like to wave a magic wand" to sort out the UK's banking system, but it was "a long term programme" of making sure banks limit bonuses, pay greater taxes and lend more to businesses.

    RBS shares are worth around £20bn less today than when the bank was rescued by the Government.

    Despite a 40% rise in the share price in recent weeks, RBS needs shares, which are currently trading at about 28p, to rise to 50p before the taxpayer can break even.

    The Unite union reacted angrily to the bonus announcement, saying it was not being distributed evenly among the workforce.

    David Fleming, Unite national officer, said: "If RBS split the massive bonus pot it is awarding its investment bankers between the 60,000 average bank workers, they would have a real opportunity to pay their household bills and change the life of their family.

    "It beggars belief that this 82% taxpayer-backed institution is imposing a pay cut on its hard-working frontline staff, while continuing to pay the City bankers ridiculously large bonuses."

    Read more on bonuses

    :: RBS chairman Sir Philip Hampton claims in a Sky News documentary with Jeff Randall that the era of big banking bonuses is over

    :: A YouGov poll for Sky News shows 75% of people believe that bosses at Britain's state-backed banks should not receive bonuses

     
    • lofty  •  3 months ago
      The bonus pot almost equals the loss....therefor.?
      • R.P. Murphy 3 months ago
        Theft and fraud, plain and simple.
        The interesting thing is that no-one seems to mention the fact that $15 trillion dollars was wired recently (in 3 seperate transactions of $5 trillion) from the Federal reserve bank of New York to RBS.
        What was this money for? Who was it from, and who was it going to? Why was this money in some way linked to a transaction for more gold than has been mied in the history of the planet?

        Questions have been asked about this inthe house of Lords, but there is an eerie silence in the media and the House of Commons about it.

        This is a transfer equivalent to the entire national debt of the USA, and 15 times our own. The interest on this in the money markets could have been used to pay off what RBS owes us. So why have we seen none of it?
        Somethink stinks here.
      • R.P. Murphy 3 months ago
        Something, before the pedantic spelling police have a go!
    • PAUL  •  3 months ago
      I cannot understand!
      if a bank has made an over all loss
      how can they get a bonus
      my understanding is that " RBS HAS MADE A LOSS OF WHAT THEY ARE PAYING OUT IN BONUSES" is this right? what a share is worth is not what the bank has made or lost
      this is just another way of the banks making out they are worth something when they are not the facts are quiet clear if a bank has made a loss then it has made a loss thus no employer should that year get a bonus a bonus is an insentive to do well not to do badly
      • Zac 3 months ago
        Yes, but we put up with this nonsense year after year, Who are the mugs?
      • Biker B 3 months ago
        They borrow the money then charge it to us!
      • R.P. Murphy 3 months ago
        Paul. This is fraud and theft. Plain and simple. Do not try to see any logic in it other than that. Do not try to believe that those who created this problem are trying to sort it out. They are trying to grab every last bit they can before the whole system comes crashing down.
    • David  •  Loughborough, England  •  3 months ago
      So it goes on - Listening to Mr.Heston this morning - All excuses, reasons,scenarios etc., as to why Bonus payments are still to be made for FAILURE !!

      Here is a Boss who hasn't got the faintest idea how to Lead - Motive, Encourage, and Reward his staff on a fair,just and credible basis !

      So the rich are still going to get richer and the poor effectively much poorer.

      Unemployment will continue it's remorseless rise - Firms will continue to close - Borrowing will continue to rise - Debt Levels will continue to rise etc etc. etc

      Yet RBS continues to pay Bonus figures for Failure !!

      Is there something wrong here, or is it just a nightmare that will go away !!
      • Noel Canavan 3 months ago
        David they actually improved thier performance this year compared to last year so not really a failure or a success for that matter, however they still made a loss and hence no bonuses should be paid
      • Frank R 3 months ago
        FFs guys this is not one business, it is 3 distinct arms under one umbrella. the core banking has made profit, teh investment arm has made a loss but and but that is against a background of a £1billion write down against Greece and other neccesary right downs, these extra ordinary actions are not repeatable, w9ithout these right downs they would have hit overall profit.

        If you work in a profitable factory in Liverpool and another factory in France, which is under the same umbrella company made a loss - would you like to not be paid your bonus?

        Until you understand the actual question regarding these banking issues making comments is pretty pointless.
      • Zac 3 months ago
        It will not go away until we do something about it. The banking system is the most formidable and the most corrupt, but the bigger they are the harder they fall.
    • Prof  •  3 months ago
      So you and I will have desperate financial times for years to come and on the back of that these crooks live a life of luxury, they are so hard faced even in the spotlight of media and newspaper attention, we the publc are robbed with no style whatsoever, just plain greed.
    • David  •  Ross-on-Wye, England  •  3 months ago
      So the investment arm of the bank get an average bonus of almost £23k each despite losses of £1bn (equivalent to each of them losing nearly £60k). And I was naive enough to think that bonuses were given for success....
      • Him and maybe her 3 months ago
        Obviously not.....but god help us if they ever do make a profit again.....those empty mansions in London will be chicken feed to buy for these greedy thieving crooks.
      • Biker B 3 months ago
        how much a year do you get if you do good, I thought we all worked to the best of our ability in whatever we do because we get paid for doing that? I used to get a turkey and £5 pw attendance allowance for being on time every day when I worked on a stone quarry in the 70s that was long hours in bad conditions but it was great fun.
    • eavesdrop  •  3 months ago
      The only logic here, is the one that says "I am a Banker therefore I must be given a bonus". Failure is rewarded. David Cameron should send a letter to every classroom in the UK to explain how failure is ok and can be rewarded.
      • Biker B 3 months ago
        Send a letter whats a letter? Email I get, but Kids cant read? Only if its written in text speak,
    • suzy  •  Värmdö, Sweden  •  3 months ago
      " RBS argues that this demonstrates restraint amid intense criticism of City pay." HA!
    • me,1234  •  Madrid, Spain  •  3 months ago
      This government has got NO backbone, it is suppose to represent the people ie taxpayers WE own 87% of the bank surely that give the people the right to say NO to these fat cats, and the government to implement it.keep the 400m and cut down the loss its not rocket science, stop creeping to these spongers
    • harry  •  3 months ago
      how can anyone be paid a bonus when the company losses are so big no wonder hester gave up is bonus he would have been strung up when these losses was announced
    • Mr Joe Public  •  3 months ago
      Do you remember Nick Leeson who caused the collapse of Barings Bank.!!!
      so how do the so called bosses keep their jobs.?
    • E  •  3 months ago
      Bonus for what?
    • DAVID  •  Ilford, England  •  3 months ago
      Having made a loss of £1bn they now wish to nearly double those losses by paying bonuses of £800m. Any other business would be in administration by now but the poor old tax payer has bottomless pockets.
    • Tigger  •  3 months ago
      When a company makes a huge loss, how can it justify giving its staff a bonus. This is just like saying we don't care about our customers, so long as we can keep our staff happy. The staff are there to keep the customers happy, not the other way round. NO BONUSES FOR FAILURE.
    • ABC  •  3 months ago
      RBS is mainly owned by the British taxpayers. It is clear that the British people do not want bonuses to be paid.
      Osborne should not be justifying the bonus payments.
      It is fundamentally wrong.
    • Ian  •  Reading, England  •  3 months ago
      Loss £1, pay £1 bonus = £2 loss, and I'm no banker
    • tony  •  Coventry, England  •  3 months ago
      These big bank bosses will reward failure no matter what. Sack the sods
    • Jeff Hall  •  London, England  •  3 months ago
      The First Minister Mr Salmond wants an independent Scotland so why doesn't he take on this?
    • malcolm  •  Bath, England  •  3 months ago
      This dirty and greedy nests of parasites do not deserve a living paid for by the public to whom they have given nothing but disservice. They need to crawl on their bellies back beneath their stones and pray for forgiveness.
    • brian h  •  Bordeaux, France  •  3 months ago
      How is it that bankers just get a smaller bonus for failure when what works for the rest of us is the sack
    • RH  •  Glasgow, Scotland  •  3 months ago
      Bonuses should only be paid where there are huge profits, buisnesses are not in buisness to loose money or break even. What a joke.
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