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    Pensions Row: Unions Plan 'Day Of Action'

    Unions are planning a major "day of action" on November 30 as the row with the Government over pension reforms intensifies.

    TUB boss Brendan Barber warned that unless a settlement with ministers was reached it would be "the biggest trade union mobilisation for a generation".

    Up to three million workers, ranging from firefighters and school dinner ladies, to social workers and driving test examiners, are set to take part in the action.

    The walkout could include stoppages, meetings, rallies and joint events with community groups.

    And it will herald months of industrial unrest in a major challenge to the Government.

    The action will come a day after Chancellor George Osborne is due to publish his autumn statement on the forecast for the UK economy.

    Mr Barber said "further consideration was being given to what other action might be appropriate beyond that day of action if a settlement is not secured".

    But he said he was "absolutely committed" to resolving the matter through genuine negotiation and urged the Government to bring new proposals to the table.

    Union leaders at the TUC Congress in London earlier announced they were to ballot their members over taking industrial action.

    The strike ballots were described as "disappointing" and "irresponsible" by Prime Minister David Cameron's official spokesman.

    Confirmation of the ballots came as figures showed that unemployment had increased at the highest rate for nearly two years.

    Unison, Unite, the GMB and the Fire Brigades Union all gave notice of ballots in the worsening row over pensions and launched angry attacks against the Government.

    Unison's general secretary, Dave Prentis , said 9,000 separate employer groups would be involved in the action, describing the ballot as "unprecedented" in scale.

    He told the congress meeting that unions were involved in the "fight of our lives" over the Government's controversial reforms of pensions.

    The reforms would mean that workers would pay an extra 3.2% in contributions.

    Earlier, Sky's Jon Craig said the strikes, involving "millions of people", would impact schools and colleges, as well as refuse collection and other key services.

    "Parents worried about childcare are facing schools closing in November - I think classroom chaos is what we can expect actually," Craig warned.

    Civil servants, teachers and lecturers have already voted to strike.

    Francis Maude , the Cabinet Office minister who is leading negotiations for the Government, said strikes would be greeted with little enthusiasm from workers.

    "We don't want strikes and the public will be very fed up if there are widespread strikes which close schools and affect health services and transport," said Mr Maude.

    "If they were to do this during a time when the global economy is flatlining, that would be a self-inflicted wound for Britain.

    "People who are struggling to pay their bills and paying more towards public sector pensions in many cases than they are paying towards their own pensions will be mightily fed up if there is unnecessary strike action," he said.

    Brian Coleman, chairman of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority, said: "The FBU's decision to ballot for industrial action at this time is an affront to hard-working taxpayers across the country.

    "Negotiations on changes to firefighter pensions are still going on and yet the FBU is already resorting to its usual bully-boy tactics."

    Labour leader Ed Miliband was booed on Tuesday when he told the TUC Congress that strikes over public sector pensions were a mistake.

    He said he understood why millions of workers were angry, adding: "But while negotiations were going on, I do believe it was a mistake for strikes to happen. I continue to believe that.

    "What we need now is meaningful negotiation to prevent further confrontation over this autumn.

    "Strikes are always the consequence of failure. Failure on all sides. Failure we cannot afford as a nation. Instead your real role is as partners in the new economy."

    Employment Minister Chris Grayling told Sky News: "I very much regret what the unions are saying at the moment.

    "The truth is that there is a huge gulf between the pensions available today in the public sector and those available in the private sector.

    "It is simply not realistic to believe that there can be no change, particularly at a time when people are living longer and so the cost of pensions is rising and rising."

     

    812 comments

    • Dru  •  8 months ago
      Robert18 hours ago
      Dru: 2 people working 3am - 11pm 7 days a week.That's 280 hours of work per week for GBP 55? Minimum wage is supposed to be GBP5.93 - what is going on?.............

      We are carers Robert, like hundreds of thousands of others including children who care for their parents. We live on a very very tight budget and I just get mad when I see greediness. We save the government at least 3k a week by looking after our son and Im not complaining about that but it takes 2 of us but only one person qualifies for carers allowance. We cant go on strike. We cant stand and shout about not having a holiday for almost 20 yrs.We cant strike because we are needed to do our job regardless of the very low money and the weeks when the money is so tight we eat but very badly....its food so its something. I have no sympathy for these unions who use strikes as a way to bully employers or the government because at the end of the day thats what they are bullies!
    • Tornado  •  8 months ago
      They make me sick!

      Tax-payers are working their arses off for this! Do public sector workers really think they have it any harder than the rest of us? Our taxes pay them. We will ALL work longer. We will ALL get less pension payouts - many private sector workers don't even get a company pension - I certainly don't. I also get less than £15,000 a year. If I had kids I would get even less because I would have to take time out of work to look after the kids while those ghastly teachers took yet ANOTHER day off.

      Teachers are the biggest joke of all!
      • 'Arold 8 months ago
        Their taxes also pay for state pensions as well as them paying for their private pensions. When did they claim to worlk harder than you or anyone else. All they are doing is trying to ge the government to keep to the contract they gave them when giving them their jobs. If a worker does something against the contract he gets disciplined, even sacked. The government does it and who disciplines them? so they decide to fight for their employment terms. In reality this also helps you for whatever they give in to, you will be expected to give in to also. There are plenty of public workers also on less than £15000 a year. They also help to pay your wages if who you work for is a money making business. Buying your product pays your wages and they are shoppers also. THey will also work longer, already women in Public sector have been brought up to 65 and men to whenever they want beyond 65, soon to become 68 I believe. They are fighting against cuts which I am sure you object too, A large body can do a lot more than a single protester. join them, they will lose a day's pay, so are np better off
      • Tornado 8 months ago
        That's a laugh! The taxes they pay are from the taxes the private sector payed to keep them in their jobs. We - the private sector workers - pay their wages, taxes and pensions.

        How can a government keep to a contract when there is no money? If my company stopped making money I would get laid off so these silly people should count themselves lucky. There are hundreds of people whom have recently lost their jobs that would love to work under the public sector conditions. They really don't have it any harder than anyone else; everyone will be working longer and harder.

        I work in manufacturing - sheet metal, and I can tell you that none of our customers are from the public sector. None and it's a rare occurance.

        I wonder how many public sector workers have praised our armed forces. It would be interesting to know because whilst they're whining about having to work longer for less pay/pension, our guys and girls in the forces are losing their jobs.

        In a time where everyone is feeling the effects, I find it hard to sympathise with the public sector.

        I stand by it. They make me sick!
      • Rob 8 months ago
        Dear Tornado, here is a brief list of the things wrong about your post:

        1. "There is no money" is an obviously false statement of which I am sure even you are aware. There is enough money to fund Trident, bomb the bejeesus out of Libya and line MP's pockets. The question is what do we spend the money we do have on?

        2. "none of our customers are from the public sector. None and it's a rare occurance." This doesn't even make any sense on a grammatical level, let alone logical. Is it a rare occurrence or is it none?

        3. And best of all, the double whammy of: "I wonder how many public sector workers have praised our armed forces" and "I find it hard to sympathise with the public sector....They make me sick!"

        You do realise the armed forces are part of the public sector right? And that they've recently been fighting to keep their pension rights that the government want to slash? And that you apparently also want to slash as "you pay their wages". Why don't you tell the next squaddie you meet how sick it makes you feel that he doesn't want to lose his pension rights?
    • ROBERT  •  8 months ago
      Fair pensions for all =/= a bit more for Mr. Public sector
    • frankobserver  •  8 months ago
      The public sector has arguably had it too good for too long.
      The pensions paid to people employed in the public sector are unsustainable.
      This should not be a reason for strike action however.
      Sadly, the MPC and policymakers consistently supported inflation which has damaged living standards, hit spending, destroyed savings and caused unemployment.
      This has caused anger and confusion. The last thing the UK needs is strikes but it seems likely they will get them.
      The trouble is they can spread like a plague.
      The good work the essential austerity measures have done will quickly be eroded.
      Inflation is a curse which should not have been overlooked.
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        Me too, Sara. Frank is hot!!
    • harry m  •  8 months ago
      When a fireman can work for 30 years and have a pension of 7 times what he had put in and the rest of us are lucky to get our money back its just not on. They should work till 65 like the rest of us, there must be thousands of desk jobs to do. But maybe if you work part time for thirty years you are not ready for a proper job
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        The politics of envy. You could have joined the fire service, you are just jealous!
      • Alanrk 8 months ago
        erm if I need rescued from a fire I don't want a 65 yr old with his knees and back gone....
        A dangerous job like that deserves its rewards do you not think?
      • harry m 8 months ago
        There are more shopkeepers hurt or killed in their line on work than firemen and I do not hear them complaining.
    • easy Item  •  8 months ago
      The strike will make the country poorer, and everybody else poorer.
      • PAUL 8 months ago
        The country poorer? Let's see - Over a billion on a shopping mall, hundreds of millions on a sports stadium, hundreds of millions to foreign aid, hundreds of millions to the EU, millions for celeb salaries, millions for sports salaires, millions for bankers and corrupt officials. Hardly a poor country - wake up!
    • billy  •  8 months ago
      you people voted these people in... and now you strike? only yourselves to blame. this includes me so at least im big enough to admit i was dumb.

      i admit i voted for plegg and his crew (stupidly, im sorry :( truely) so as i was part of the dumb people who voted for this i accept my punishment and i wont strike... even if i could which i cant being private sector.

      shame on anyone who voted tories and lib dems and then strike. you are far worse than the other strikers.
      • A Yahoo! User 8 months ago
        Billy, you silly boy. You sillybilly! I think for being that silly I would love to stick my willy up your chuffer, billy....!
      • Sarah 8 months ago
        The unions are part of the Labour movement... they shoulder the blame for voting in the wrong Miliband brother who has now turned against them, but not for this Tory reign of terror.
      • billy 8 months ago
        nice john nice :D
    • sally  •  8 months ago
      They've bailed out the banks, allowed those who put this country onto verge of a depression to continue to be payed obscene REWARDS (bonuses) for doing so and are now going to ride roughshod over those who work their guts out and have to battle against beaurocrisy and red tape on a daily basis to keep the country running for the people!
      I, for one, won't be striking, not because I don't believe it's right but...there aren't enough hours in the week to allow me to catch up on the work that would be left for me to do and there certainly aren't enough staff left in post to pick up any slack.
      For those out there who are attacking public sector workers...ask yourself the question...'If my pension provider,(that you had paid your money into for decades to ensure that you could afford to pay your bills when you retire), suddenly said...."we're going to decrease your pension income to a point where you're going to have to make a choice between heat or food in winter months"....how would you feel? It's only the public servants that are on salaries of £50k or over that are going to get a pension worth a damn anyway, most of us are on less than half of that.
      Ok, there are public servants that take the mick, as in any sector, but the majority of us work over and above to maintain services and are as frustrated as everyone else over cuts...don't forget we have had pay freezes for many years...6 years with me Local authority...as well. Give us a break please, we're all in the same boat and struggling to keep afloat the same as you.
    • David  •  8 months ago
      The rows about pensions in this country have been a long standing joke since the 1970's. politics is like TV.... full of repeats and BS
    • BIG CHIEF  •  8 months ago
      IF IT WAS'NT FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR YOU LOT IN THE PUBLIC SECOTOR WOULD'NT HAVE IT AS CUSHY AS YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT, I AND IM SURE LOADS OF OTHERS HAVE NO TIME OR PATIENCE WITH ANY OF YOU, AS ALREADY SAID WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT ARE OWN PENSIONS, YOU THINK YOU HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO PROTECT TYOURS, WHAT MAKES YOU SO VERY SPECIAL WITH YOUR OVER IN FLATED SALARIES.. I HAVE WORKED AND KNOWN SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN PLACES LIKE COUNCILS AND I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANY GROUP MORE PROTECTED OR MORE RIDICULOUSLY HAVING JOBS THAT ARE COMPLETELY WITHOUT MERIT WHO TRY TO JUSTIFY THEIR WORTH,, THE ONLY THING I MIGHT AGREE WITH IS THAT THE ONES''AT THE TOP LIKE THE GOVERNORS WILL ALWAYS ESCAPE ANY AND ALL OF THE CUTS AND THE MID TABLE KNOW BODIES WILL BE LEFT TO FIGHT FOR THE SCRAPS,, BUT AGREE WITH YOUR PLIGHT OR CIRCUMSTANCES,, NO WHY SHOULD I BE. WHAT DIFFERENCE DO YOU MAKE THAT ANY ONE ELSE COULD'NT DO.. SO AS FOR PUBLIC SUPPORT I THINK NOT, WE ALL HAVE TO CARRY THE BURDEN SO WHY SHOULD YOU NOT CARRY SOME OF IT TOO.
    • PETER  •  8 months ago
      I would be grateful if any of these prospective strikers could explain why my small pension should be taxed as it is to fund their lifestyle!
      Or is that just too far outside their field of vision?
    • GEG  •  8 months ago
      Why is there one rule for Public sector workers and one for the Private Sector we in the Private Sector are unable to stop the rot with regard to our pensions but the Public Sector say you are not allowed to touch our pensions, who pays the Private Sector, of course the owner who has to sell his produce in the open market. What do the Public Sector produce nothing!!! who pays the Public Sector we do. Our earnings and pensions decrease yet the Public Sector wages are protected. We are only building a 2 #$%$ older generation where pensions for Public Sector pensioners will outstrip the Private Sector pensioners by a street, and if anybody says anything the Public Sector will hold the country to ransom. If they strike during the Olympics I will go further and say they are ANTI BRITISH. Shame on them
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      er see the goverment taking cuts mp's or pm. there pension is safe wish we all could earn £60 thousand plus a year. we cannot claim our money back for mortage or fuel and so on. the goverment should step down. if I was pm I would put this country right no aid abroad reduse prices and keep wage
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      i cannot belive the selfish comments on here, these people teach our kids, put out our fire, saves lives and so on, you lot really need to get a grip!! just think your kids could become a nurse or a fire fighter, bet your views would change then !!
    • JUSTIN SHELDON  •  8 months ago
      Well here we go again.Sack the lot of em and offer jobs to people like myself who are eager to be employed.
    • Kevin  •  8 months ago
      never see the goverment taking cuts mp's or pm. there pension is safe wish we all could earn £60 thousand plus a year. we cannot claim our money back for mortage or fuel and so on. the goverment should step down. if I was pm I would put this country right no aid abroad reduse prices and keep wages under control.
    • Sophie Teece  •  8 months ago
      Yeah, what a terrible thing for people to stand up for their beliefs and what they are entitled to and have been working for for years. So it's ok for the big businesses and bankers in the private sector to earn colossal bonuses, for screwing up this country, but not ok for the average public sector to fight for their livelihoods and what they have been paying in to?????
    • Mick  •  8 months ago
      one day this country will not be british
      and we have no money lelf to live on
    • PatAck  •  8 months ago
      Don't all the members of trade unions think for themselves, every time you rank & file go on strike it is you that lose money, not all the mouth pieces that are asking you to strike, they don't go without, you have to pay the bills with even less pay after they have called you out, it took me 25years as a union member to realise this, only because I was brain washed by the money grabbing union bosses
    • cns 52  •  8 months ago
      Just been reading a great story about leyland remember the union run car maker.Unions striking over the removal of a 5 min tea break.Cars that fell to bits as soon as you touched them.Unions in the print trade telling operators that they cant do more than a certain amount per hour,this still goes on by the way.Can you wonder that china and japan were able to walk in here and take our jobs.Unions killed the industry in this country will you be supporting them,i wont.I am getting ready to drive through picket lines because i wont strike over anything.